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I have an EVO Quad Clip on my 10 gallon quarantine tank. It has twenty, 3 watt LEDs and there's nothing I haven't been able to successfully keep under it. It has both white and blue LEDS and there is a night mode for running blue LEDS only. You can get a model with or without a timing option...the timing option is a few dollars more. The fixture clips to the side of the tank...it looks very modern and clean. I actually have 2 of them so if I ever want to use them on a larger system, I can mount them side by side...very modular. The reason I don't use them on my display tank is because I prefer a fixture that's dimmable w/a wider color spectrum...neither of which is absolutely necessary. I paid about $85 for one of the EVO Quad Clips and $75 for the other. I bought one on eBay and another from an online retailer.
Nothing you cant keep?? In a QT tank?? Under those lights? Umm, sorry, I'm lost with this one. I know your not keeping corals in a QT, and fish don't need lighting. ?? Your killin me on this one Goby.
 

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I meant if I buy the lights RM suggested. Are they just blue? Would my tank just be blue?
No, the linked one has blue, but is not dominant blue. I was just pointing out that you could get the unit with moslty blues also. Which is the one that I woukd buy myself if I we're looking.
 

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Okay I got you, now instead of it being 13 white and 5 blue it would be 13 blue and 5 white. Okay this is the one thank you so much RM!
 

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Nothing you cant keep?? In a QT tank?? Under those lights? Umm, sorry, I'm lost with this one. I know your not keeping corals in a QT, and fish don't need lighting. ?? Your killin me on this one Goby.
You "know" I'm not keeping corals in a quarantine tank? Seriously?

I hate to entertain one of your weird debates but I will anyway...

I didn't say there was "nothing that can't be kept" beneath those lights, I merely said there has been nothing I haven't been able to successfully keep. That said...brace yourself...I've also successfully kept corals and anemones in shallow quarantine tanks for weeks on end beneath fluorescent's too.

Beyond that...

I've introduced more pests into my display tank via corals, than fish. So if you don't understand the value of quarantining all marine life, then I guess you're simply lacking some of my knowledge. That doesn't mean you're "lost"...it just means I know more about something than you do.

My post is killing you? ...oh well

And just out of curiosity, what marine life have you kept thriving beneath LEDS?
 

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You "know" I'm not keeping corals in a quarantine tank? Seriously?

I hate to entertain one of your weird debates but I will anyway...

I didn't say there was "nothing that can't be kept" beneath those lights, I merely said there has been nothing I haven't been able to successfully keep. That said...brace yourself...I've also successfully kept corals and anemones in shallow quarantine tanks for weeks on end beneath fluorescent's too.

Beyond that...

I've introduced more pests into my display tank via corals, than fish. So if you don't understand the value of quarantining all marine life, then I guess you're simply lacking some of my knowledge. That doesn't mean you're "lost"...it just means I know more about something than you do.

My post is killing you? ...oh well

And just out of curiosity, what marine life have you kept thriving beneath LEDS?
I've kept Softies and LPS using DIY 1w LEDs. Next question.

And, your supposed to dip your Corals. Not QT them. And Corals will not thrive under certain lighting, you may keep them alive, so does a resiprator for a brain dead person, doesn't mean it should be done.
 

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Quick explanation of FW dipping


How To Give Fish a Freshwater Dip or Bath
Search "fresh water dipping salt water fish" for more info.
This is good information , saltwater ich is IMO much more stressful .
I'm treating a clown now for a weak it was ok first 2-3 days but I sure wish is of dipped it first , I know its not a water quality issue and all my other fish are looking and eating well but rather new tank stress , and its afraid of my hands and propagation tools so I'm trying to stay out so maybe if no change by tomorrow ill do this .

J- chech out the member map on ARC , you can see where and who lives close to you , its possible someone you never suspected possibly someone you have known from school for years has a marine tank you never known .
Maybe you can meet another member whom may be willing to let ya hitch a ride to a meeting , there is also an unofficial middle Ga meeting monthly because many ppl an hour+ out can't make Atlanta meetings.
I know what it is to have your family give 2 flips about your passion but don't give up on something you care about because of there interest or lack there of.
I'm 2-2.5 hours straight w on I 20 from ya in Conyers if you or your family are ever out this way contact me I'd love to show off all my tanks *clap its my favorite thing about ppl coming over .

Iv enjoyed stalking this thread
 

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Okay let me get this straight. You have a pump, that powers a power head that creates flow. Right? So some of these are just pumps while the Hydor is both. The wave deflector says 80-310gph. So say if I have a 112gph pump, the wave deflector will only go at 112gph?
 

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Should I just go ahead and buy the pumps and wave deflector, or check out my LFS. I heard stuff like this is way cheaper online.
 

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Okay let me get this straight. You have a pump, that powers a power head that creates flow. Right? So some of these are just pumps while the Hydor is both. The wave deflector says 80-310gph. So say if I have a 112gph pump, the wave deflector will only go at 112gph?
Yes, the Hydor FLO is completely powered by your powerhead you hook it too. Youtube it, there is a few good vids.

I have the Hydor FLO on the 80 GPH pump i posted.
 
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I'm a big hydor fan ,but just so you know ALL the koralias are the same size regardless of gph,so I think even though the 240GPH is great for you the pump itself will seem HUGE in your 10gl.
That being said If RM says it is saltwater safe,I'd go for the 80gph one(maybe 2 or 3).
The 80 GPH pump i posted is SW safe. I contacted the seller before I bought it, and marine applications are listed in the paperwork that came with it.
 
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Should I just go ahead and buy the pumps and wave deflector, or check out my LFS. I heard stuff like this is way cheaper online.

The pumps are way cheaper online; especially with free shippping.

The Hydor Flo was actually cheaper at my LFS.
 

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I'm 2-2.5 hours straight w on I 20 from ya in Conyers if you or your family are ever out this way contact me I'd love to show off all my tanks *clap its my favorite thing about ppl coming over .

Iv enjoyed stalking this thread
Are you Kirru? I did some stalking lol. My mom (who actually cares more then my dad) was planning a trip to the Georgia Aquarium this week. So I might take you up on that offer lol. My name is Jaybird on ARC.
 

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Okay, My LFS sells live rock at 6.99lb. To save money, I would rather not spend $70. Bulk Reef Supply sells dry rock at 2.69lb. Shipping is around $2lb. I need 10lb of rock. So what would you do? If all the money you have left is $150?
 

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I've kept Softies and LPS using DIY 1w LEDs. Next question.

And, your supposed to dip your Corals. Not QT them. And Corals will not thrive under certain lighting, you may keep them alive, so does a resiprator for a brain dead person, doesn't mean it should be done.
RM, quarantining new corals is just one of the many reasons I've used quarantine tanks...and it's not even the main reason. I keep one quarantine tank up and running and have the ability to keep up to 4. I also have a 2.5 gallon for both quarantine and hospital use. I’ve learned the hard way to dip and quarantine everything for up to 2 months…especially coral. I'd put an unquarantined fish directly into my display before I'd put in a new coral...and more often than not I do depending on the relationship I have with the person I bought the fish from. The benefits of quarantining corals can be found in countless reputable publications. I'd be happy to share some if you're sincerely interested. Do you know of any literature that advocates against or teaches the benefits of not quarantining corals? If so, I'd sincerely like to read it. I value information; especially information opposite of what I've come to believe is true. My mind is always open. So…


If you’re not into using a QT tank RM, I respect that. That’s your business. However…to not just suggest, but actually proclaim that it’s wrong for me to utilize QT tanks with corals, is respectfully IMO, unintelligible. That said,


While there's not a doubt in my mind that you've helped numerous reef hobbyists, myself included...sometimes your responses seem more like unprovoked vexing than sincere assistance. And not just to me, but to others too. And not just in this forum, but in the other forums you participate in as well. With that, speaking for myself only, I'd like you to either respond to my posts with sincere helpful input, or not at all. Jaybird was inquiring about LED lighting. I shared with Jaybird, my personal experience with a particular EVO light. The experience was mine, and it was accurate. Why you felt the need to imply I was giving false information, is puzzling. I've been sincerely sharing my own personal experiences in this forum with the sole purpose of helping and learning from others, long enough to deserve better than that, from you.
 

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Okay, My LFS sells live rock at 6.99lb. To save money, I would rather not spend $70. Bulk Reef Supply sells dry rock at 2.69lb. Shipping is around $2lb. I need 10lb of rock. So what would you do? If all the money you have left is $150?
Reef club maybe? someone might be selling it.

My LFS gets about $3 a pound for live rock, But I've seen it at other LFS for $6.99 a pound.
 
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Okay I got you, now instead of it being 13 white and 5 blue it would be 13 blue and 5 white. Okay this is the one thank you so much RM!
I’d like to encourage you to rethink the modification of the light RM suggested. I’m not so much concerned about the 1-watt bulbs per say. I’m concerned about the modified white to blue ratio of 1-watt bulbs…not sure that ratio is what’s best for your application. IMO, that fixture, with that ratio, would be more appropriate for a shallow deep-sea coral tank. I suspect that ratio would not meet the lighting needs of the commonly kept marine life I have in my display tank, regardless of bulb wattage.

To clarify my use of the EVO Light on quarantine tanks…
I’ve used quarantine tanks for new coral in general, newly treated diseased/infested coral, deteriorating coral from which I fragged healthy tissue that grew-out in quarantine, corals that shipped poorly…a brain coral that spent a 3-day weekend inside a post office just 2 blocks from my house because the box was wet that the mailman didn’t want to put it in his truck one Saturday morning, for healing a large healthy xenia colony that I divided into several frags, newly split BT anemone clones, coral purchased via group orders that I held for others, a gorgonian purchased for a seahorse project gone bad…that gorg was successfully kept in QT for months, light acclimation reasons, etc. I’ve kept photosynthetic marine life in quarantine tanks beyond the time it takes to note new growth and/or improvement in overall health. I successfully kept a Haddoni Carpet anemone in a QT tank for several weeks before I attempted to pair it with 2 skunk clownfish (and failed). The Haddoni clearly saw growth in QT, below the EVO light.

To be honest, in a shallow 10-gallon tank, HO fluorescent bulbs are capable of supporting many coral with intense lighting needs. I’ve had good results with HO fluorescents; I just prefer the look of LEDS. That said, I do the majority of my quarantine projects in shallow 10-gallon tanks beneath EVO Quad Clip LED fixtures that contains 20 LED 3-watt bulbs. 12 bulbs are 10,000K white and 8 bulbs are 460nm Actinic Blue. I’m not certain, but I don’t believe I would have had the same success had I used the same EVO light modified with 17 Blue 460 Actinics and 3 white 10,000K bulbs.

I realize you have a very limited budget and I’d like for you to get the most bang for your buck. Many years ago, I was also a fish obsessed teenager. My parents were supportive of my hobby, but my friends simply didn’t get it and teased me a lot…so I know a little bit about what it feels like, to be “in it alone”. I didn’t have the support of forums such as this…I wish I had. I also have a teenage son who’s currently a fish-keeping guru. I have 6 kids, and he’s the only aqua-nut and his siblings clearly don’t get his passion. He has several FW tanks and he’s been my partner-in-crime in this SW adventure. He and I have made most of the SW equipment choices together…some good, some bad. I’ve personally had to repurchase several pieces of costly reef-keeping equipment, because our original purchase didn’t meet our needs. My son has a Mom who’s willing to do that…but going by what you’ve shared in this forum, I suspect you may not. A $100 mistake for me is simply a few extra hours at work…for you, it’s more than that. So, I really encourage you to make your choices slowly, wisely, and never according to what a single person suggests. And I encourage you to learn the benefits of quarantining your future fish and corals.

Aquarium Fish Health: Manage Fish & Coral Health with Quarantine Tanks


Maintaining a Reef Aquarium: Pests Invading the Reef Aquarium Hobby: Part 1 - Red Bugs & Nudibranchs

Fish keeping has brought a lot to my life…and what that is, is something only fellow aquarists truly understand. I get where you’re coming from… and even though I don’t know you, I sincerely want you to still have what that is, decades from now.
 

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Okay, My LFS sells live rock at 6.99lb. To save money, I would rather not spend $70. Bulk Reef Supply sells dry rock at 2.69lb. Shipping is around $2lb. I need 10lb of rock. So what would you do? If all the money you have left is $150?
I couldn't afford live rock either. I started with dry rock and it worked out great. I bought it on ebay from someone who had lt listed as "Flat dry reef rock". I think the guy still sells on there, he is a distributor from Florida. He sent me a lot of cool flatter pieces to use for building structures for the fish. I'm heading out the door for a ball game now, but I'll try to send you a link later. I have a friend who ordered some really unique dry rock from Bulk Reef Supply...awesome shapes. I also know a couple people who make their own reef rocks with a cement mixture and Cheerios believe it or not, and I also went to a reef club meeting where I watched a guy make live rock. I recently bought a few pieces from dry rock that has magnets attached to the back to they can be placed directly on the back and side walls. My husband is going to try copy their technique. I think they were called Stax Rock or something like that? It's a very new start-up company.
 
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