[Reefing Madness]

Its best to have sooner or later, especially if your getting into higher end corals. (SPS)

 

[perm_dogg]

ordering now. Chime in quickly if there is any thing that I need to get with it or additionally now.

 

[treliantf]

Yes, A marine tank without a sump just like a car without cruise control, it will give you both level control and temperature stability.
Use a micron filter bag and diatom filter aid to clean out all your lanthenum carbonate
mess,put the bag(with all stuff in it) under the trickle filter (if you have one) then you have a phosphate sponge that will last a few weeks and no need to add any SeaKlear during this time. Once exhausted(by P endpoint), put GFO in the bag to suck phosphate instead of Seaclear.

Dosing is a risking business unless you know what you are doing and with end point detection. Vodka is much less dangerous than lanthanum but same end point detection is still needed otherwise wholesale addition of ethanol to tank without knowing how much consumed will endanger all tankmates as well, even though LC50 is high for most marine species. I'll get back on this subject later.

 

[perm_dogg]

Yeah, like I said... I have RO/DI filtered water only. I run a 75GPH Canister filter 24/7 with my Skimmer and rinse out the media once a week. (Just started that filter back up recently) I'm not adding GFO or any other expensive hardware to a 55 Gallon Glass Aquarium. It's already so full of $#&^ it's tough to look at. I'm here in the "New to Saltwater" forum because I am not a Biophysicist or Chemistry Major (yet and hopefully not ever) I am not ignorant, but really don't have time, patience, or Ram left in my brain for knowing how chemicals react to each other and why it happens and how to cure cancer and all that great stuff. I leave that to the pros. (You guys) You just tell me things like "put less vodka in" and I do. It's a balanced system. ha ha. Not trying to cut anyone down or be a dick, I'm just simple and want to (at least try) to keep it that way.

 

[perm_dogg]

See,
Here's another thing that dives me crazy. I ask, "should I rinse out my Frozen Mysis Shrimp" I get a clear answer here. "Yes. Rinse any frozen food." Okay. Great. It makes perfect sense. Then I try it and what do you know?, the shrimp falls apart and goes right through my screen. So, naturally, I assume there's a better method. I look it up, everyone and their brother says it's a waste of time to rinse the shrimp as the majority of the phosphates are within the animal and the "juice" is so minimal, it wouldn't cause an issue in that much water. I'm still on team rinse the s%*& because it does make sense even if it only helps a little. However, do I need cheese cloth to do it? Do I have to purchase a fine strainer specifically for frozen shrimp?! Come on!! Ha ha.

 

[Reefing Madness]

Yes, A marine tank without a sump just like a car without cruise control, it will give you both level control and temperature stability.
Use a micron filter bag and diatom filter aid to clean out all your lanthenum carbonate
mess,put the bag(with all stuff in it) under the trickle filter (if you have one) then you have a phosphate sponge that will last a few weeks and no need to add any SeaKlear during this time. Once exhausted(by P endpoint), put GFO in the bag to suck phosphate instead of Seaclear.

Dosing is a risking business unless you know what you are doing and with end point detection. Vodka is much less dangerous than lanthanum but same end point detection is still needed otherwise wholesale addition of ethanol to tank without knowing how much consumed will endanger all tankmates as well, even though LC50 is high for most marine species. I'll get back on this subject later.

Ok, time for me to set this one straight.
1st- ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!
Nothing dangerous about vodka nor seaklear dosing. You've never done it, and therefore haven't the slightest idea what your talking about, with the exception of reading................HOLY COW.....
You have any idea how much of either it would take to crash a tank??? DO you?!! Give me a break dude. Getting tired of having to jump in here with you, your getting on my nerves with this crap. Randal Holmes-Farley doesn't even talk bad about either of those units for dosing, I outta know, I MOD a Site with him.
So give me and these guys a break will ya. Quit guessing.
Oh and, I don't have to get back to this later, facts is facts.
You tinker with the dosings, you get them straight, and BOOM!! Houston we have lift off. Only difference in my stuff is, it doesn't cost these guys an arm and a leg to operate. GFO, pfft, you don't need that cost in running a tank. Try dosing SeaKlear, hell I'll even show you how its done, then you can have your say in the matter.

 

[Reefing Madness]

See,
Here's another thing that dives me crazy. I ask, "should I rinse out my Frozen Mysis Shrimp" I get a clear answer here. "Yes. Rinse any frozen food." Okay. Great. It makes perfect sense. Then I try it and what do you know?, the shrimp falls apart and goes right through my screen. So, naturally, I assume there's a better method. I look it up, everyone and their brother says it's a waste of time to rinse the shrimp as the majority of the phosphates are within the animal and the "juice" is so minimal, it wouldn't cause an issue in that much water. I'm still on team rinse the s%*& because it does make sense even if it only helps a little. However, do I need cheese cloth to do it? Do I have to purchase a fine strainer specifically for frozen shrimp?! Come on!! Ha ha.

Only reason I ever rinsed my frozen food in water was to thaw it out for the fish. I just threw all the shrimp and the water in the tank when it was thawed out.
But, what the hell do I know. Sorry no scientific mumbo jumbo to add......
Oh and yes, you gotta use cheese cloth so it doesn't go through.

 

[perm_dogg]

Okay cool. As of today, and ever since I bought frozen shrimp, I have put a half a cube in a shot glass with water and waited for it to thaw, then dumped it right in. That is all I feed my entire tank every other day or so. So is it fair to rule out that being my spike in phosphates? If there even is a spike. Are we agreeing that all that hairiness is indeed bound phosphate from the rocks? Not that rinsing is the hardest part of owning the tank, but the less bs I have to do, the better.

 

[Reefing Madness]

Yea, no worries there bro, the stringy crap is bound phosphates, I know what they look like, I went though it myself. But don't fret, it will go away.

 

[perm_dogg]

Yes I recall. That's when I found out that you are in fact human and make mistakes!! Ha ha. Mine was SOOO bad though. It worried me that it was more than just that.

 

[Reefing Madness]

I wish I woulda saved that pic of the stuff. I'd scare everyone with it.

 

[perm_dogg]

Alright, Hanna Phosphate Checker is on it's way. To be clear, this will help me pin point my levels to adjust dosing accordingly? That's the real benefit here? Cuz that thing aint cheap. ha ha

 

[Reefing Madness]

Yup, like the Nitrates, ya gotta balance them correctly. This will get us there.

 

[perm_dogg]

Good. Cuz if this gets any more expensive....I'm just gonna pour Grey Goose in the Tank. Ha ha.

 

[treliantf]

Ok, time for me to set this one straight.
1st- ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!
Nothing dangerous about vodka nor seaklear dosing. You've never done it, and therefore haven't the slightest idea what your talking about, with the exception of reading................HOLY COW.....
You have any idea how much of either it would take to crash a tank??? DO you?!! Give me a break dude. Getting tired of having to jump in here with you, your getting on my nerves with this crap. Randal Holmes-Farley doesn't even talk bad about either of those units for dosing, I outta know, I MOD a Site with him.
So give me and these guys a break will ya. Quit guessing.
Oh and, I don't have to get back to this later, facts is facts.
You tinker with the dosings, you get them straight, and BOOM!! Houston we have lift off. Only difference in my stuff is, it doesn't cost these guys an arm and a leg to operate. GFO, pfft, you don't need that cost in running a tank. Try dosing SeaKlear, hell I'll even show you how its done, then you can have your say in the matter.

Data is data. Endpoints are critical. Don't do wholesale dumping of anything, trust me, I have data (my own experimental no biased data with control, not something cut and paste from net)), Do you? Fix you HLLE on your hippo tang if he is still alive!
BTW, I know Randy's boss.

 

[perm_dogg]

Oh boy. Here we go again. Where's the mods? Might as well blame me and cancel this thread too.

 

[coralbandit]

See,
Here's another thing that dives me crazy. I ask, "should I rinse out my Frozen Mysis Shrimp" I get a clear answer here. "Yes. Rinse any frozen food." Okay. Great. It makes perfect sense. Then I try it and what do you know?, the shrimp falls apart and goes right through my screen. So, naturally, I assume there's a better method. I look it up, everyone and their brother says it's a waste of time to rinse the shrimp as the majority of the phosphates are within the animal and the "juice" is so minimal, it wouldn't cause an issue in that much water. I'm still on team rinse the s%*& because it does make sense even if it only helps a little. However, do I need cheese cloth to do it? Do I have to purchase a fine strainer specifically for frozen shrimp?! Come on!! Ha ha.

I just thaw stuff and carefully dump water out and add fresh.
I use some large shrimp for my fowlr and the cloudy crap in the water is certainly no help to me and my filter.
Cheese cloth or strainer really seem to be pushing it for the real results like you said the po4 has probably soaked into the food also.

 

[treliantf]

PO4 is in the ATP of the food and it's part of life (now dead), rinsing may not reduce it but certainly help to get other craps/turbidity out, I did it as well. I'll get the "P" part discussion in a later thread.