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Another great trip and an equally beautiful day.

There are more trips to come out soon and we are having a trip to in about 2 hours.

This time a few clowns were the order of the day.

Firstly the (perideraion) pink clowns, we call them skunk clowns, were not originally noticed as there colours blend in so well with in the large bubble anemones that they prefer to inhabit, so they were the last ones noticed,they were in around 35 feet.

The brown clowns were from a group of around 12 all up, as they don’t seem to mind living in large communities, so just a few akindynos were taken,they were in around 18 feet deep.

Down a little deeper in 38 feet of water was a young couple of latezonatus clowns, luckily not to bright for latz,as they can be classed as a hard clown fish to catch in that they will run from there anemone to allude capture and you only have so long on a breath to catch them once you have lined them up.

Luckily they normally use the same ways to avoid you, which can make it easy for capture with some practise.

The large bubble anemones were 24 to 30 inches across and had a few pairs of porcelain crabs living at their bases, but they were not wanted so they were left, still nice to see them though.

One unusual bubble was,what seemed like a combo of the maroon clown bubble,orange/red,in colour,we see a few of these and the very pretty green bubble variety as well.

This one had orange bubbles and very bright green tips with red lines running up and down each bubble,you could see it as far away as the water was clear enough to see,that one will be remembered,hopefully it will be still there next time to see and find who has made it there new home for us to either look at or catch.






Trying to pin down most of the clubbies to get some pics of collected species is very hard,this is all i could get from them.

The latz went to Kits tank,shes quarantining them for a while before they go into the big tank.
They have such a lovely nature the latz,there is rarely a single problem with them in a comunity tank.




One of the akindynus and the little olivaceous from another trip went to another clubbies tank.


The pinks went to Shanes tank and on and on.
 

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Why?
To only buy them from the shop,wild caught clowns from wholesalers are still cheaper for the shops to buy and mix in some tank bred or no tank bred at all,you won't find cheap enough tank bred latz anyway.

The places we go to the commercial guys hit pretty hard,so if we don't collect them for our hobby,they get taken anyway,probably in a far less caring way than we would.

When you get it your self you can avoid others,collectors,wholesalers,carriers,shops, that may treat them badly before the shop sells them to you,so why????

If this is an environmental thing,all of us need to stop buying pets,stop going to the toilet,stop all shopping centres,stop passing wind,stop using transport other than your bare feet and do not wear any animal skins or factory made cloths,all these things and more are harming what it was like before humans,so than wipe out the human race and nature will do its own thing and you will never know it,as you don't exist!!

Now what was the question,*r2.
 

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dude i hate those kinda people that you described that wanna blow us back to the stone age im just saying reefs are delicate and are dying everyday i mean im sure ur not certified to take those either.
 

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Mate,now the wording you use is more disrciptive of your intensions,thats good.
I had worked with commercial collectors for 16 years,or there abouts,that finished near on 14 years ago.

I have been diving for over thirty and collecting a while before i worked with them as well for my dads and mainly my brothers tanks,my reaction is because i have herd it all before and normally from mostly the extremely uneducated and over educated in marine life forms and environmental issues.

I have been spearfishing and surfing far longer though.

I used to go door to door and into the shopping centres years ago in relation to environmental patitions with others in an old club we started in the eighties.

We sent letters,submissions and patitions on all serious and understood matters,well known to us and to no avail,i am very aware of what is what.

We have had marine biologists,prawn trawler operators,all types in this club and others in the past,its a long list of who has been connected with the clubs over the last,i don't know,i have only been a part of this one for 16 years,its been around since the 1920s.

We test the ocean where ever we go,used to any way,i even used to put a marker near certain corals not far from home and on the other side of the bay(i remember where they are out wide)and watch there life over years and see what kills them,its to long a process that we have seen and understand to go into,i have pictures of what is now dead that would break your heart in what we have seen come and die,not get taken,these corals died there!

I showed some of those once and a couple of people said thats said and others said thats a load of bull,but they don't know so i don't care and i get sick of explaining to people that only see whats on tele,or what they have seen over a very short time frame.

It's not what you take(most of the time here anyway,its how we all ruin the water quality).That is mainly what kills it and doesn't allow it to recover.

Try to imagine how you would react from many years of experience,when some one comes over to you when you are getting a few buckets of water at a boat ramp as a water change and says to you,you shouldnt be doing that you will lower the ocean level,they were serious and quite angry!!

On a forum a while back some one said we don't want your group collecting on a paricular part of the coast where i live,three commercial collectors work that area that i know of and i found out much later that comment came from a shop keeper that buys off one of the commercial guys that work that area,see what i mean!

As you can see i can rave on forever.

I really should not have replied to your comment in the first place,but after all this time and what has been said about some things in our moreton bay at the moment, about things you would think would be easy to work out by these maine specialist making the comments about why the dugongs are dieing for no apparent reason,talk about thick,it was just bad timing.

Oh and what we do is totally legal,there is no permit system in Queensland for private persons,just regs on how many and what to use when you catch them.

In the snorkelling section of our forum are the regs for all to see as they are sent out to us by our request from the governing bodies for all areas of Queensland.

We answer questions on NSW collecting as well,so hopefully they do it right and by the laws in place.
 

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good catch, i just have to ask were does everyone else think we get these fish they dont pop out of thin air, i would much rather get my fish from someone who went out and caught them instead of going to a store where i have no idea how or where the fish came from
 

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Good point!

I copied this over from our club forum as it says it so people don't have to ask it.
Its on most sections.

These are the benefits to our collecting,apart from money saving!

Firstly, we know where to find them, how to catch them, how bring them back healthy and the ways in which to keep them, both the old and trendy ways to have a successful piece of the ocean in our homes.

You know some of the most important aspects of our well carried out collecting trips, in relation to the fish and inverts we get is, the stress once it has achieved the 48 hour serious internal damage mark, as a lot have the potentially from the retail and wholesale time to you,this doesn’t exist with what we get, the adrenalin damage that looks like a drug caught death is nil with what we get, the sometimes not so good systems that give fish nitrate poisoning before you buy it that can look like a drug caught death as well, with we what we get is nil, as well!

We will use ammo lock and PH buffer and air stones in our buckets for the short trip until in their new home, so ammonia burns and damaged gills and depleted oxygen damage are nil as well.

The potential for diseases in old water from waste and toxins from sick or damaged fish and fish such as dice box and puffers are nil as well.

The educational benefits from watching and understanding how they live in the wild,is invaluable.

Its a win,win,win situation.

Don't get me wrong,with careful observation you can pick some top fish and inverts from the shops,we just choose not to.

The only reason we have heaps more trips these days is there are more marine keepers among us now.
 
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