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10-08-2014 12:22 AM
discusbreeder
Re: German Blue questions

Any cichlid can be called egg eaters. If a pair eats their spawn break them up but not before the third spawn. Maturity sometimes improves parenting and decreases spawn cannibalism. Separating fry from parents with a partition in the tank will sometimes help to mature the parents. Poor genetics from inbreeding also contributes to spawn predation. Choose parents as close to show quality as possible, better looking fish generally have better genetics. And try to find brood stocks from several different sources to improve genetic diversity. Another problem that most people do not know about is the use of sex hormones to "pretty up" sales stocks. The hormones do permanent damage to most females. I have dissected dead females with varying stages of male sex organ development and the hormonal imbalance renders eggs useless. Fish normally pick out infertile eggs to control fungal development.
10-07-2014 11:21 PM
discusbreeder
Re: German Blue questions

German blue rams can be difficult to keep and should be kept in water as close to their source water as possible. Problem is most of us never know what their source water was. We buy them in pet shops that are either the stop between us and their source or the second or third stop. They are already sick when we get them home and their is no reversing the damage if you do not start immediately. Quarantine and treatment is the first step to a better experience. Start at a neutral Ph and adjust up or down by fishes health. Increase acidity slowly if fish are lethargic, and decrease if they are hyperactive. Once they begin to behave normally keep them at that Ph until they have been quarantined for thirty days. Do not place in community tank until they are feeding properly and completely healthy. Even if healthy I would not tank them with gouramis. Gouramis are Asian fish with different water types than South Americans. Most gouramis are also aggressive to some extent, and especially aggressive toward specimens with metallic colorations. If you see aggressions separate them immediately, some small fish will tolerate abuse for a while if healthy but when they turn on the afterburner the aggressor will suffer, possibly to death.












































start at a neutral ph
02-19-2014 11:13 AM
Leclair10
Re: German Blue questions

Here's a couple of pics of my little hatching set up and pics of the fry.





02-19-2014 07:01 AM
Leclair10
Re: German Blue questions

If you can keep Discus,you can keep GBR's. I have 3 pairs on the go and they do fine. I don't fool with my water and change PH. Rams like Discus prefer STABLE water conditions. All my pairs are in tap water PH 7.8 and moderately hard. Rams are known egg eaters so I pull eggs and raise them myself. Also GBR's have a lifespan of 2 to 2.5 years it is what it is kinda deal. You want to keep them longer you gotta breed or keep buying them. Sexing GBR's is fairly easy with adults. Females have spots in the "black patch" and males don't. females will get red belly's when looking for a mate or getting ready to lay eggs. I'll try and get some pics of my Fry and pair's today.
02-18-2014 03:26 PM
coralbandit
Re: German Blue questions

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02-18-2014 03:13 PM
ahendrix38
Re: German Blue questions

I can't figure out how to post pics.
02-18-2014 02:51 PM
coralbandit
Re: German Blue questions

Males are almost always larger.If you had 2 males they would not get along and you would notice.So if one is more colorful,that should be the male.If one gets a red belly,that would be the female.You have to observe them when they are not stressed and at their happiest.after being fedtheir favorite food(frozen bloodworms) would be a good time.Feeding them frozen bloodwrms daily would bring them into "breeding condition" in a week or two.
Pics might help?



02-18-2014 02:44 PM
ahendrix38
Re: German Blue questions

I am pretty sure that my two GBRs are male and female but not sure about the male. How can you tell if they are a mated pair or not? They seem to keep pretty close to one another.
11-12-2013 02:45 PM
FishZ1
Re: German Blue questions

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Originally Posted by coralbandit View Post
I'm going to say that GBR are more diffacult to keep than discus!They will not acclimate(well) to anyones ph and live a very short life(2 1/2 years) even when well kept.I've bred them,and am raising fry(lucky{very lucky}) and have lost 75% of the adults I have purchased in less than 1 year! Tehy seem fine,even vibrant and willing to breed and then POOF! dead,dieing have some issue?I don't know why,and it is a shame as in their glory they are one of the most beautiful fish.I hope to master their requirements with all the juvis I have,but who can say?
Hey Coralbandit, when you get it figured out, please post the secrets here so the rest of us can copy your success.
11-07-2013 04:47 PM
coralbandit
Re: German Blue questions

I'm going to say that GBR are more diffacult to keep than discus!They will not acclimate(well) to anyones ph and live a very short life(2 1/2 years) even when well kept.I've bred them,and am raising fry(lucky{very lucky}) and have lost 75% of the adults I have purchased in less than 1 year! Tehy seem fine,even vibrant and willing to breed and then POOF! dead,dieing have some issue?I don't know why,and it is a shame as in their glory they are one of the most beautiful fish.I hope to master their requirements with all the juvis I have,but who can say?



11-07-2013 12:28 PM
FishZ1
Re: German Blue questions

For some reason, GBRs and their electric cousins are rather sensitive. Lots of things can stress them to the point of death--water quality, harassment, low oxygen, etc. Even in aquaria where all other fish are thriving, GBRs can suffer. I've quit trying to raise them until I can get a better handle on what they need.

In any case, there are other colorful cichlids that won't have the same sensitivities. If you want a bottom dweller, try Bolivian rams instead of GBRs. They are much hardier. Also, there are some Apistos that are quite colorful and will occupy the same tank space.

Cheers.
08-29-2013 04:57 PM
Aceranch
Re: German Blue questions

We picked up two GBR's from our reliable LFS and they lasted less than a week. They were in a healthy planted 29 gallon with some tetras. They ate and interacted then suddenly became lethargic and croaked. My water is RO hardened to 70gh with Seachem equilibrium.
Ammonia - 0, nitrite - 0, nitrate - 5ppm, phosphate - 0, temp 78 degrees. I'll stick to Bolivians from now on. They're not as colorful but they're hardy.
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07-03-2013 10:06 AM
DarkestCloud
Re: German Blue questions

He's an opaline. So, blue-green and silver, with dark grey markings. I'm rather proud of him, as he's easily the smartest fish I've ever seen. But not particularly showy.
06-27-2013 04:52 PM
FredericoAlves
Re: German Blue questions

From my experience, a healthy gourami is very colorful, what species of gourami do you have? Is your water quality with the proper parameters for your gourami? I can't see a gourami being less colorful that harlequin rasboras...
06-25-2013 12:40 PM
DarkestCloud
Re: German Blue questions

I wish I had room and money for another tank...But alas, I don't. Some day, I will be a marine biologist, and have a huge tank , but that day is not soon. So for now, I must content myself with a thirty and a ten gallon in my bedroom, and lust after a hundred gallon my lfs has on display...
06-25-2013 07:43 AM
majerah1
Re: German Blue questions

The thing with adding another colorful fish is that gourami will see it as a threat. Your choices are to deal with what ya have or rehome the gourami and get the ram you want.

Or, you can set up another tank :D
06-24-2013 10:15 PM
DarkestCloud
Re: German Blue questions

The gourami is lovely, but none of my fish have a lot of colour, gourami included. The most colourful fish in there are the harliquin rasboras, and they aren't spectacular. I got a new ram, but he went missing, and I think he died as well. I was wanting a very colourful fish that would stand out. My tank is very lacklustre with my current stock.
06-24-2013 02:14 PM
FredericoAlves
Re: German Blue questions

Isn't the gourami good enough centerpiece fish?
06-08-2013 10:56 PM
DarkestCloud
Re: German Blue questions

Been watching everybody in the tank, and nothing. Gourami is healthy, cories are healthy, shrimp is healthy, rasboras are healthy. I think the poor guy died from stress, as my gourami is very curious, and very dominant over his little kingdom. Do you have any suggestions as to something else to put in? I wanted a really colourful centerpiece fish, as my others are very subtly coloured. Or how to make a ram work better?
06-06-2013 02:46 PM
majerah1
Re: German Blue questions

Could have been a number of things. FWIW not all fish are fin nippers. He very well could have been giving body shots instead. Or he could not have acclimated well, been sick or weak or anything. Just check your water params, and keep an eye on the gourami to be sure he doesnt come down with something.
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