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Re: Cycling questions

I think, and don't quote me on this, is that since nitrates are present, people are saying that the cycle IS working, albeit slowly, because you won't get nitrates without first having nitrites (because Nitrospirae are consuming nitrites to create nitrates). Since nitrites must therefore be present, they must be being created by Nitrosomonas, which consumes ammonia. Since you have, pardon my language, a ****load of ammonia in your tank, it's going to take some time for Nitrosomonas to eat its way through that.

Imagine a warehouse full of cheeseburgers. You eat only cheeseburgers. You can consume only so many cheeseburgers per day, and you poop even less than that, because you use up some of the cheeseburgers to live. Now imagine a creature which eats only Fireman poop. It's going to eat all of your poop, because there isn't a lot, not in a warehouse. So there are going to be small amounts of THAT creature's poop, but none of yours, and still a massive amount of cheeseburgers. It might take you a REALLY long time to eat all those cheeseburgers... But wouldn't it be easier if you had some buddies?

Adding more bacteria certainly won't hurt.

(The only reason I asked about your ammonia test was to make sure it was working, and not contaminated.)
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Where is this warehouse full of cheeseburgers? How do I get access? I don't know if I can eat a warehouse full of cheeseburgers, but by the grace of God and this bottle of ketchup, I'll give it everything I have.
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Re: Cycling questions

Seeded material from a friend's tank will work better than anything else. Do you have any friends with tanks?



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Seeded material from a friend's tank will work better than anything else. Do you have any friends with tanks?
no, I wish I did but I dont know anyone with an aquarium. The closest fish store to me is an hour away and Im not sure if they would give me any filter media or not.
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Re: Cycling questions

When I cycled my first tank I miscalculated the ammonia I needed to keep the cycle going. When I added that amount of ammonia, probably 4 to 5 times maybe more of the required amount, it was immediately apparent, plants started to die. Then the next clue was the nitrates were way off the chart and fish started to die when the ammonia went to zero. So I WC the daylights out of the tank almost daily until the nitrates came down to about 20 ppm. The plants slowly recovered, fish stopped dying and the tank settled down.

However, about a year later the original inhabitants perished, but not before presenting me with several crops of fry.

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Imagine a warehouse full of cheeseburgers. You eat only cheeseburgers. You can consume only so many cheeseburgers per day, and you poop even less than that, because you use up some of the cheeseburgers to live. Now imagine a creature which eats only Fireman poop. It's going to eat all of your poop, because there isn't a lot, not in a warehouse. So there are going to be small amounts of THAT creature's poop, but none of yours, and still a massive amount of cheeseburgers. It might take you a REALLY long time to eat all those cheeseburgers... But wouldn't it be easier if you had some buddies?
This was the best explanation of ammonia and nitrite oxidation that I have ever read
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