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Breeding fish in kiddie pools and stock tanks-II

We just got 6" of snow and Thursday the high temp will be 14f, perfect time to start thinking about raising fish outside this spring. Last year I recreated a project I did over 30 years ago just to see if I could. I learned a lot and have to say the project was funny and fun to do. This year I'll be more prepared. I plan to journal the process as I go and form the basis for a step by step process for people. Any suggestions, tips, warnings will be greatly appreciated.

Last year was Endlers, Least Killies, Marmokribs-cloning crayfish and Jacks. I started with well under 100 breeders and ended up with over 1,200 fish once the final count was in. The Endlers bred quickly and as the weather warmed the breeders got a boost from all the mosquito larva. I have three lines of Endlers and just tossed in a mixed group. They bred until I finally took them out the first week in October.

Least Killies were kind of slow starters. I noticed them really picking up the reproduction pace in late July as the original fry were breeding as well. They finished strong with over 300 fish. If memory serves me correctly, I started with about 20 females.

The Jacks just freaked out and actually had to be moved indoors as they would not feed properly. The crayfish, well I did not find one small one. I have no clue what happened there.

This year I plan to use more pools: 2 x Intex 10' round x 14" deep pools. 2 x 6' round by 10" deep hard plastic pools, 1 x Intex 110" x 72" x 18" inflatable pool, 1 x 125gal stock tank and 1 x 175 gal stock tank.

I have upgraded my stock with some more marketable fish. I started 60 days ago with 8f and 4m Painted Swords-Pumpkin Orange with Black marbling. I put them in a 40 brooder. I now have 18f, the 10 new are still virgins. I have about 25 fry, so my goal is 25f-50f by May. I also have 8 RREA females and they are now huge. I will introduce a blood red albino male in late April. I also have about 6 Koi Swords and I'm hoping to get at least one batch of fry raised by May so maybe 8f-10f. I am also purchasing a group of mixed color variety female platys, approximately 30. I will also breed Endlers-Blond Endlers and Least Killies. The last two will start in all the pools and vats.

This year I'm using breeder traps, large rubber made containers with holes drilled in the bottom, sides and sitting on PVC for elevation. IF YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA FOR BREEDING TRAPS PLEASE SUGGEST IT. I will take photos of the breeding traps and post them when I make them next month. After the first month, fry will be pulled, counted, graded and moved to grow out pools-hard plastic and vats. I plan to bring small groups inside to quick finish with freshautolinker.com autolinking image hatched brine shrimp. I plan to have fish to market by June 1st.

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Re: Breeding fish in kiddie pools and stock tanks-II

I'm thinking about doing some small fish breeding this year. I have ponds but they are to big to do small fish. I'm thinking of moving my lyetail mollies out doors when it warms up we have about 3ft of snow in places of drift right now. I'm gonna put them in one of my 800g holding tank that I usually put my breeding catfish in have 6 of these tanks poly plastic wit drain hole worth the investment. I'm also thinking about trying to do some bettas in the littlest kiddy pools with a bunch of plants. I've never did small breeders out doors so keep this thread posted please
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Re: Breeding fish in kiddie pools and stock tanks-II

How do you get the fish in the fall out again? Drain the pond?

My pond is 8X12 m, 90 cm deep in the center and other 50 cm.
He is discharged with a 1 "hose, 25 m long, to the stream. It takes a day. A liner pond.

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That's what I'm thinking draining it through a mess screen. I got a 2in drain that sits about a Inch an half from bottom. I drain mine into my garden that's what I do with the water when I have the catfish in them. I also have a overflow pipe that's about a inch from top with mesh covering it.
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Re: Breeding fish in kiddie pools and stock tanks-II

A wall network is also possible. With a floating side (with floating balls) and with a heavy side (with anglers lead) It is drawn from one side of the pond with 4 ropes (close to the ground) to the other side. The fish can not back. I've done it with goldfishautolinker.com autolinking image.

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Are u you talking about a walk net\ bait net arthur cause that could work but the walk net I have would barely catch adult swordtails.
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I mean a wall net. (As wall, in the song Tom Jones Green Green grass of home "four gray walls around me") Not a walk net.
A wall of net across the entire pond.
The heavy side down on the ground and the light side floats.

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OK, last year I just netted them with a modified minnow net-modified due to the size of Least Killies. One thing I learned is set up a feeding ring so that the fish all come to one place to feed. This keeps the waste and water issues to a minimum. It also allows you to count fish, as well as one can that is. A standard wire minnow trap will work of drain down the water to keep the fish guessing. Trust me, if you train them to eat in one area, they will come every time. If you're trying to place a wall in to trap the fish, drop it in after you put down feed. I learned to hang around when I feed so the fish don't get spooked when they see me.

I'll post photos when I make the traps and of my brood stock.
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Re: Breeding fish in kiddie pools and stock tanks-II

A lowering network, as it use the angler?
Basket-shaped. Let fall with a rod down into the water. Top lining scattered. When the fish come to eat, lift it out.

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OK, we just got through an ice storm earlier in the week, so of course who wouldn't be thinking about raising fish outdoors? Well actually it gave me time to catch up a bit. I finally decided it is time to order new kiddie pools. I still have last years, but my son tossed one of the vats across the side of one of them and I'm not sure if it can be salvaged. Looks like I best order two pools. At least that is the story I'm telling my wife and I'm sticking to it! No the old pool really is damaged, but I also want two new ones! I will be ordering my pools from Kmart on-line. I'm getting Intex Sun Fish Snap Set pools. The reason this is important is that some brands have algeacide in the liners and it is toxic to your fish. Intex does not have this issue. The new pools are 8'x8'x18" so that doubles that capacity. If the old pool can be used I'll have a ton of room, 1,400gal between the three.

On the brooder stock front, I now have more than enough swordtails to produce several hundred. I am in the process of making a deal for a half dozen,each, female breeders of two different color types. This should give me five colors and close to 50 brood females. Now I'm looking for platys, hopefully at least four color varieties approximately ten of each. I have ten Blond Endler females and should have double that by the time things start to go outside. Least Killies are running a bit on the low side, I estimate fifteen-twenty females are ready at the moment. I'm hoping for twenty-five, thirty-five females.

Over the weekend, I'm going to TRY to take some fish photos, I warn you it is not my stronge point, "Yes there are fish in those photos."
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Photos will be in my member gallery. So far here is where I am at. I have enough Showa and Koi swords to most likely fill the brooders role for swords, but I am still getting a number of Pineapple, Marigold and Wags of both varieties. I am planning on 8-12 of the Pineapples and Marigolds. I figure I'll get a few hundred fry from that many. I currently have four female RREA swords and they are huge. I'm picking up a trio of blood red albino to cross into them. My plan is to trade off some of the Showa and Koi swords for the others mentioned. I'll incur a small cost as I am getting 15-20 corys for the project as well. I also have two different colors of Mickey Mouse Platy brooder females on the way. I'm getting 15 each color. My hope is to produce 25-30 fry per platy female. Next on the list will be Endlers. I have Black Bar, Orchards, Chillis and Blonds. The good thing about the Endlers is I can release the brood stock in the breeding and grow out pools I'm using for the swords and platys. The swords and platys will be confined to the breeder traps while the Endlers swim free. Nobody should be able to cross breed and potential fry loss-sword fry eating Endler fry-should keep me on top of grading and moving the swords to grow out. I will also release the Least Killies in the same manner. I will be setting up a small hard plastic kiddie pool for cull Endlers females and letting them breed freely. Sometime during the summer I will take 25 or so Belonasox fry and introduce them. Depending on how things go, I may end up with several pools of them.

I have two 8'x8'x18" pools, a 10'x10'x24" from last year, a 5'x10" I got for $6.99,
110"x72"x 24" and both vats. I plan to purchase at least 2 - 6'x10" hard plastic kiddie pools for additional growout. 6-8 weeks after fish are all stocked I'll see if I need more space. Last year I allowed crowding toward the end and the production in the more crowded pool started dropping.

Once the brooders are outside, I will be selling off a lot of very nice stock that did not make it into the project. I should have a ton of Endlers and a large group of all male swords that will no longer be needed. If you might be interested P.M. and we can make a deal. Last year I left my indoor / fishroom tanks stocked at about 85% during the summer. This created a big problem when the outside population exploded as I had enough room to cram in 400 fish, but had way more. This year I'm thining down indoor stock to about 20% and may bring in a line of Endlers. I'll also be purchasing some stock to run into my various lines of Endlers. I've added two 40 brooder tanks inside so room should not be an issue.
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If you are looking for new Platys, that would not be a nice color variant?


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I've seen those before. Lotsoffish on Aquabid has some really nice ones.
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Ok, I have my 2 P-#1 pools (8' round x 18" deep) and P-#2 pool (110"x72"x24") all set up and filled. I added a huge handful of dried Oak leaves to each pool to speed the cycling process, each pool has a small temp airline and today I added 5gal of water in each pool from water changes in the fishroom.

I plan to do a 10% partcial water change this weekend, add more leaves and some gravel areas for heaters. I'll also move some pond snails out to help get things rolling faster. I still have another P-#1, 125gal vat, 175gal vat to set up this weekend. I'll use the same process. As of now I have over 1,000gal set up and should have close to 600gal more once the other three are set up. I am pumping all the brooder stock with live food and preparing for the additional brooder stock that is coming late next week or early the week after. I'll keep those fish indoors for a 2 week period maybe longer weather depending.
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All three pools and the 125gal Vat are up and running. I ca't set the other 175gal Vat until I get two cinder blocks to level it. The temp air system is running and agitating the surface of all four, all are stocked with Oak leaves, all have water change water from established indoor tanks beeing added-10gal-15gal each and two of the pools have gravel patches for heaters. I added some pond snails in one pool and 4 ramshorns in another. Don't know if the ramshorns can tolerate the temps, but we will find out. My plan is to add 25-30 rams horns in three containers and pond snails in the other two. These will help keep things clean and provide a good supply of crayfish food. One pool P-2 will have two huge marble self-cloning crayfish in it. I'll start that pool with 50-60 snails of both types. I'll let them get a 3-4 week head start on the crayfish.

Stock: The Blond Endlers reproduce faster than anticipated so I should have a good number of breeders. Keep in mind that Endlers typically don't eat fry--in thanks they eat 10%-15% in the pools that drops to almost 0. I have 4-6 females producing broods of 40-60 fry each drop, to it won't take long to have several hundred. Once the fry females start reproducing look out. The swords Showa, Koi, BLK & Whites are all sexing out so they should be reproducing no later than early June. The other swords and platy brroder coming in will be producing upon arrival. I should end up with Showas, Kois, BLK & Whites, Marigolds, Pine Apples, Pine Apple Tux swords, Red and Sunset Mickey Mouse platys, Blond, Black Bar, Orchard and Cillie Endlers and Least Killies. There is a good chance I'll be reproducing cory cats, that will be left to mother nature and a well designed pool with plenty places to hide to avoid hungry giants. I also have two baseball size chuncks of java moss coming.

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It has been a while and much has occured. First the weather has been flipping difficult! From 51 degrees to 91 now back to the 60s after two weeks in the high 70s-low 80s. Typical St. Louis weather gurrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Well all pools and vats are stocked with a load of snails. The ramshorns became inactive but survived the cold and are reproducing. The pond snail, well they are doing what pond snails do best breeding like crazy. My crayfish will have an endless supply of easy to catch food.

Last year I was just a tad freaked out when the tree frogs invaded and spawned a zillion tadpoles in the pools. This year they didn't even wait for the fish to go in. I am now at the beginning of a bumper crop of tree frog tadpoles. I will be selling them 10 for $10 shipped. My small Belonasox are injoying the tadpole invasion, keeps the tummy very full. This year we have Barking Tree Frogs and Green Tree Frogs doing their thing in my pools! These are very neat to watch in the aquarium and don't need a floating surface when they start to morph. Once they are ready to leave the water they crawl up hte inside corner seam of the tank. At that point take the froglets outside and release them at night fall.

Early last week, before the latest weather forecast, I added my first Least Killie test group to P-1-1, P-1-2. All are still thriving. So then I added a small test group of Orchard Endlers in one pool and Black Bar Endlers in the other. All are doing fine and I'll see if they survive the weather the next few days. I have a small heater, 200wt. in one pool and will add one to the other pool containing Endlers. Last fall the fish seemed to find the heater without a problem. I did add some saltautolinker.com autolinking image to each pool as the livebearers seem to do better with it in there.

Once it warms up into the high 70s this weeked, I'm launching fish full scale. I'll be adding 15-20 females Orchard and Black Bars to their respective pools. The first test Chillis will go in the Vat-1. I'll also add approximately 10-12 female Least Killies to all three pools. That should keep the mosquitos under control. At the moment, I am netting out hundreds of mosquito larva daily and feeding them to my brooder fish that are still in the house. The test fish look like they are ready to pop and indeed they are!

The Blond Endlers will wait a week because they are just not as tough as their cousins. The Blonds go in P-2. When the Blond Endlers go in so do the first groups of Swords. I'll put out some funky looking orange swords I produced and see how they do. In two days if they are fine and I see no reason they wouldn't be they wil be joined by the Showas, Koi, Blk & Whites, REEA, Pineapples and Marigolds. All will be in their own breeder traps providing plenty of room to swim freely and with the benefits of water flow through. The Platys, Red MM and Marigold MM same thing.

This weekend I'm also setting up the other Vat and P-1 pool from last summer. I have yet to purchase the two hard plastic pools, but I will likely buy one this weekend to start my Belonasox fry pool. I beleive I have at least 35-40 mut Endler females to toss in their so the next time the Belonasox drop fry I'll ply them with live baby brine shrimp and mosquito larva for 2-3 weeks inside then out to the pool they will go. My plan is to come out with at least 10 trios. I figure if the Endlers can each throw a batch of fry maybe two they should be able to stay ahead of the Belonasox. I'll add a ton of floating cover which will increase the Belonasox ability to pick off mosquito larva while they are small enough to be interested. I will say this, if you ever wanted Belonasox you best jump on them fast once I post them.

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Since they have a lot of work with the ponds. The tadpoles of the tree frogs are probably not so large that the Beloesox can eat these?
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The Belonasox fry are eating them. They are small tadpoles at first but get a little larger.
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What temps are you waiting for to add fish? I'm thinking about putting some gups in my container pond, in addition to least killies

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I'll be adding fish theis week as thair temps are in the 80s daytime and 60s nighttime. They should hold around 72-74 degrees at night. I learned last year it doesn't bother the fish. I have a small submersable heater in each pool so the fish can stay warm if they feel the need.
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