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Re: First timer on 29 gal going for reef

Shutter: yeah I'm going to let him do his thing. That's the only time I've seen him or anything like him in there. You say you run carbon? Where do you keep it, where the bio balls should be? Because the biocube filter actually has sections of carbon under the filter section before the bio balls. Is that what you mean or are you using higher amounts of carbon? So would removing the bio balls and adding live rock back there actually be better for me? Would I need a lot of flow if I put live rocks back there?
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Re: First timer on 29 gal going for reef

No, you don't need the bio balls at all. All they do is trap food, etc. Then they just produce more nitrates. If all you have it just a sponge filter, you can take it out an clean it everyday. Your helping it lower nitrates, before they break down. If you put live rock in the back, it's just like more bio balls, food will get trapped, and produce more nitrates again. I stick to just a sponge(which I clean everyday) And carbon. Does this answer your question? If not ask away.

You can buy small,empty media bags you can put anywhere. You can fill them with any media you want. Wash, refill, and put them back in. You can then buy bulk carbon, or anything else you want.
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I see..knowing this why are bio balls even in the market? Because they're cheaper than live rock?
 
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Re: First timer on 29 gal going for reef

What if I take out the bio balls and rinse them out once a month? Would that help me lower nitrates?
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Re: First timer on 29 gal going for reef

bio balls work good in fish only systems. People who have large tanks with alot of fish, like Trigger fish, Puffers etc. Feed them and they make a mess. They need to convert to nitrates faster. Higher nitrates in fish only systems is not that big of deal. But to keep corals, we need to keep nitrates down to as little as possible. If you had to keep the bioballs, I would clean them at least once a week.

Are you feeding frozen food? Are you rinsing it out with R.O. water first?
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Re: First timer on 29 gal going for reef

I'd ditch the idea of using carbon, it has been known to cause HLLE in marine fish. You can always look into Carbon Dosing if yiur Nitrates are nit to your liking. When it comes to a water change, yiu should look at it this way, if you have 80ppm and you change half your water, you just exported 1/2 of your Nitrates also. But.......if yiur running a mechanical filter and have excess nutrient problems that equation goes right out the window.
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I'll try cleaning them more often. Finished another 5gal water change. I'll test water tomorrow. Lfs said ph was a lil low and nitrates a lil high. Yes I do feed frozen brine shrimp I cut the lil cubes into thirds and feed a third to them. No I do not rinse it in RO at all.
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Checked my water today..nitrates up to 40. So I cleaned out the bio balls and tomorrow I will change 50% of the water and throw in new filter. Gonna look into carbon dosing.
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Re: First timer on 29 gal going for reef

Why not just ditch the Bio Balls?

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Re: First timer on 29 gal going for reef

Because I took them out to clean them and realized that the water running through the back will be loud as hell. Maybe I could put something else in there to not allow the water to splash?

Also, I did a 50% water change today. So I'm going to let things settle and hope my nitrates lowered by at least 50%. I also bought a roll of the white filter screen stuff and some carbon so I can swap out the filter more often. Got a Haitian anemone and my peppermint shrimp were trying to eat it! They kept pulling at it and puncturing it. I put my shrimp in a container but when I got back home they had escaped but luckily they weren't bothering it any longer. I hope it was just a one time thing. Ill keep my eye on them till some time passes.
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Re: First timer on 29 gal going for reef

peppermint shrimp are known to eat small aptasia(nusciance anenome),so I would watch them very closely.also try to provide some food they(the shrimp) really prefer.Often well fed whatevers don't revert to natural instincts.
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Re: First timer on 29 gal going for reef

I was thinking of finding a larger version of the black sponge between the second and third chambers to fill the space where the bio balls go to reduce noise of the water falling.

Coral bandit: I was actually told that by lfs and luckily the anenome is still looking good. Shrimp have been free for about 9 hours and they were all just munching out on random things in the rocks but none near the anenome.
I still haven't seen my clowns take any interest in it at all? What are the chances that my clowns will host in the anenome? I was excited to provide them with something to get comfortable in but I feel like that might now happen.
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Re: First timer on 29 gal going for reef

In time, the Clown will host. You can get a picutre of a CLown fish in an Anemone and tape it to the side of your tank that your fish is on, this has been known to help.

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That's awesome..lol gonna try that.
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Ok..did the 15 gallon water change and it dropped my nitrates down to 20ppm. Lfs says that's acceptable but I want to lower it to 0! So my girls came with me and she decided to buy this product called AZ-NO3. Says it works by cellular respiration. Any thoughts on this product?


Also was getting tired of the biocubes filter so I decided to make my own when its time to replace. I basically gutted the filter and layed the white sponge that comes in a roll, over the gutted filter. Underneath the filter I layed out this bag called chemi-pure which is activated carbon. It just sits above my bio balls which I planed to remove. However, if I just full it with a sponge wouldn't it technically be the same thing? It would just be surface area for things to accumulate.
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Also.. The damn shrimp began picking at the anemone again. I dropped in some brine shrimp and the left the anemone alone to eat the brine shrimp. Think imma have to take them out =/. Any advice on this matter?
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Re: First timer on 29 gal going for reef

never heard of the no3 stuff but even if I knew about it I think I'd say the same;"DON'T USE IT!" Nothing good comes from crap like that.This is just my opinion, but I think you'll be sorry.Also 20 is not the end of the world and personally with a tank full of corals I want 10.Some of my stuff won't open at all when I'm O.My tank stays wicked low(bio-plastics) and sometimes I really try to overfeed just to bring back up to 10 or anything besides the brightest yellow.Also check out madness link to HLLE as carbon is notable cause.Boyds is good stuff but not 24/7. When needed.The water changes you make are where it at and the best thing.



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Re: First timer on 29 gal going for reef

You want them lower? 20 is a good point with Trates unless your going with SPS. I keep mine between 20-40, Softies and LPS don't have problems with that. If you have a good skimmer, might I suggest Vodka Dosing.
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Ok..I dropped in the chem-pure so let's see how the tank reacts to it.
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No skimmer. I was thinking of getting one but looking for other options besides the biocube specific one. I will look into vodka dosing. Thank you.
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Read the vodka dosing link. Great stuff. Need a skimmer. Maybe a uv too. Will look into that.
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