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Re: New 47 gallon column planted build

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Carbon isn't necessary, and will be a bit counterproductive with plants. Carbon won't *kill* plants though.

One of the benefits of a canister (IMO) is it has MORE than enough room for all your media. Don’t feel like you must fill it up 100%.

What are the dimensions of that tank? The pics make is seem much smaller than a 50g tank. If you put 3 bags of eco in it, it must have a large floor space, pictures do not do it justice.

LOVE that wood! And the plants.

Where did you get your plants?

That one Anubias in the substrate, it’s hard to tell, but in case it is, you do not want to bury the rhizome. Doing so, will eventually kill the plant.
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Re: New 47 gallon column planted build

The tank is 20 long by 18 wide by 30 high. I wanted atleast a 3" bed for good rooting. It ended up being 3" in some places up to 4" in other. I have it kinda sloping down from back to front.

As for the media I had bought two 1 liter bottles of matrix. And I had a 500 ml pouch on my turtle tank filter. So I put course pad and fine filter pad in 1st tray. 2nd tray fine filter pad and dumped the 500 ml pouch of matrix from turtle tank plus 1 whole liter bottle of new matrix. 3rd tray fine filter pad and left bio balls in there plus about 500 ml of new matrix. Hopefully the old matrix from turtle tank helps cycle the tank faster. I'm dropping micro pellets and some sinking wafers as ammonia source

I used the other 500 ml of new matrix back in pouch and put in one side of the emperor power filter. That tank should be fine cause only has 3 small cichlids and the turtle. That uses an emperor power filter that has 2 bio wheels plus have about 500 ml of bio rings that have been in there since I first started that tank so plenty of beneficial bacteria there to not hurt that tank.

As for the plant and pretty much everything but the hydor ETH in line heater and hydor hydroset thermostat was purchased at aquarium center in blackwood nj. Tank,stand, plants ,eco complete, glass top, led light, filter all done there. Hydor stuff was bought on amazon
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For visual refrence how deep eco complete is


Full tank shot after rearranging the Anubis and the Java fern on the driftwood and installing filter


Look at fliter in stand


Close up of filter in stand. I'm also not running the uv light now


Just velcroed the hydor hydrostat thermostat to back of tank.


And pic of other side that o velcroed the extention strip and box from led light

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Ok so after a full day of the aquatop and in line heater running I can say I love this setup. Filter is extremely quiet to the point where after the bubbles stopped pumping out of the spray bar I thought it wasn't working. Its so quite I had to shake the canister to see more bulbs come and put my hand in front to feel the water coming out. I have the holes on left side of tank facing in a downward diagonal direction to kinda get a circular flow in the tank. So I can see the Anarchis and Ludwig broad leaf swaying in the flow. I didn't even turn on the uv light since I had nothing in their but the plants and figured why waste. I plan on only using it if I start to build up to much alge or if I get some ich or illness in the tank. I heard again that a uv light in planted tank can kill some of the benificial stuff plants can use. This morning I noticed that the led lights didn't have any cloudiness to fight through. So in less then 17 hrs of filter being on it completely cleared up tank with no uv light. Can u guess what filter I'm gonna replace the power filter on the turtle tank with?????????

And as for the heater looks great not having an extra thing in the tank. When on great because the aquatop cf400uv uses 5/8" hosing and I got the 300w heater that comes with 5/8" connections. You can also get the smaller 200w heater with either 1/2" or 5/8" connection. I hooked it up to the Ot take hose and in the correct direction by following the big arrow on the heater. I let the filter run for about 30 minutes with out the heater plugged in so it can acclimate to the tank temp. I know they tell you to do this with regular heaters so I figured why not with this one. Beside I was waiting on the delivery of the thermostat which got there right before I left to get my son from school. So when I got back home I unbound the thermostat and plugged that all up and started the heater. Most heaters state set temp on heater and alow 24 hrs to bring up tank to set temperature before adjusting it again. Well let me tell you the tank was at set temperature of 84(just for cycling purpose ) with in 6 hrs and set steady. Now my house temp is set at 72 so that a 12 diffrence. The heater clicked on and off a hand full of times. By the afternoon when I seen tank all cleared up I decided to drop temp down to 80 and it has been steady ever since. Can't say enough about this set up. If you have a canister filter on your tax k you should have this in line heater on it. Frees up space in tank and one less ugly thing to look at in tank.

As for thermostat great piece. Again I got this because I read the heater would stay on and over heat tank often. So to combat use a thermostat and I figured just so I don't hear no junk from hydor if this ever happened to me I'd get their thermostat so they can't say we'll you didn't use our product so no warranty. Now I opted to spend a little more and get the one with the led display. The unit is small and has 3 connections coming out the top. One is the plug to plug into outlet. Second is the plug for you to plug heater into. And third is the temp probe. They give you good amount of cord for each section. For the temp probably they also give you 2 suction cups so you can place where ever yo want in the tank. I placed it on upper left side of tank behind the rim so it's also out of sight. I put it there figuring it's not getting directly heat by the out take which is obviously where the hottest water is coming from because I have it pointed diagonally. The display on the thermostat shows current tank tempo left and to the right of it is the set temp. Only complaint I have of this unit is that it isn't back lit. So it's black digits on a greyish back ground so I usually use the light from my phone to see screen. So since I heard thermostat on heater clunKS out I have heater set to 82 and thermostat set to 80(for now I will drop temp to about 78 when tank get stocked with fish) so that way the thermostat is actually controlling temp. Besides the dim display love this set up and makes me feel more comfortable knowing I have atleast one fail safe on temp.


So quick conclusion Aquatop filter hydor ETH in line heater and hydor hydrostat thermostat is an amazing combo and should be used together for a perfect system.

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Re: New 47 gallon column planted build

Ok do been about 12 days since start ofthe tank and all seems good. My cabomba has grown a few inches and so has my anarchis. I have 1 or 2 stems of Anarchis almost reaching the top of tank. And the cabomba has fluffed up nicely and is also pretty far up the driftwood. My Ludwiga all has about 1/2" of new growth on all the stems that us a nice bright green. The banana plant I threw in a few days ago has already stretched up some. And the red arrow lilly has about 6 or so leaves already out. The Anubis and Java fern look about the same but I know those are slow grows so not to worried about them. Tomorrow I'll get some new pics.

I'm hoping 500 ml of seeded matrix I put in canister filter sped up the cycle. I know I'm problem jumping the gun but I ordered 20 cherry shrimp from Bob's planted tank. My daughters bday is this weekend and wife is wanting something in there by party time sunday. I figured with plants and over sized canister and the 500 ml of seeded matrix (that has been established for about 1 1/2 yrs on the much dirtier turtle tank) it should be fine to add the tiny bioload of the shrimp. Besides the 500 ml is supposed to be enough for a 50 gallon tank not to mention the fact I have 2 full liters which is enough for about 200 galon tank in the canister. And then seeing how that goes maybe by Friday or Saturday I'll get small school of like 5 harlequin rasbora then wait a week to get another 5 and so on and so on.

Hopefully everything goes well with shipment of shrimp because I would like to order some green neon tetras from them and also really want to get some of there thai micro crabs. They look cool. Only get to about 1/2" and are filter feeders like the shrimp. They eat left overs shrimp pellets flakes just about anything like the shrimp. They usually keep them with shrimp so no worries there. And since I plan on stocking all the smaller tetras and rasboras first they will be fine for a while. Just gonna be a risk when I gethe angel. Again I hope to get it as small as I can get. But who knows maybe he won't make it into this tank.
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Re: New 47 gallon column planted build

Just a suggestion. I'm not familiar with the filter you have but you might consider a prefilter sponge on the intake, especially for a stronger filter. Shrimp could get sucked into the intake and you find them in the filter compartments.
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Yea I was at petco today in anticipation for the delivery and looking for some kind of spine to put over the intake. But nothing I could find. I'm gonna have to run out to my lfs and sew if he had anything I could use.

Just checked and shipment got to my post office so they should be here soon.

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Here goes some updated pics

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Shot of the Ludwiga


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Crypt and part of the banana plant
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Re: New 47 gallon column planted build

I've used both of these:

http://www.amazon.com/Instant-Ocean-...filter+sponges

or this - Note: it is black, not blue as pictured

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...790_em_2p_0_im

Do not use this one - http://www.amazon.com/Fluval-A1387-E...uval+prefilter

It is too fine and will clog easily, reducing filter flow substantially
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And so as I finished writing that last post I decide to go have a look see out the front window and there is my package. I take it inside and open it to see a nicely packed box. In insulated Styrofoam box stuffed with newspaper and the heat pack. When you order from Bob's you order single or 10 pack. I ordered 20 so I had 2 double bagged baggies with 11 shrimp in both. And labeled 11 shrimp on each. There was a few strands of Java moss for them to cling onto for the ride. I balled that up and stuck it in the tank as that's my only moss for now. I'm hoping it will grow from the little nickel size wod I put in.

As for the shrimp they are a mix of nice big shrimp and a few small ones to. I belive I counted 3 berries females which I'm excited for. Hopefully they will spawn soon enough. Quility there not the brightest red shrimp but I knew that. This is his lowest grade cheapest shrimp he has. They were only $1.50 each and actually slightly less since you get small discount when buying a 10 pack. So some have red some are clear but they only been in tank for about 20 minutes. But I van tell you alot more are red now then when I first took them out the package. I floated bags for about 20 minutes then proceeded to drip acclimate them for about 40 minutes. Scooped them and dropped them in and they started right away cleaning up the ornaments and plants. For the price I'm happy with the 21 shrimp I recived. Not crazy bright red but alot better then trying to find ghost shrimp in a tank. And of they get eaten wasnt that much of a loss.

Bobslantedtank does have all types of other shrimp. I mean they have Sakura shri.p that are about $4 a shrimp. And diffrent colors from blues yellows reds crystal reds and blacks. Tiger shrimp Amano freshwaterautolinker.com autolinking image thai micro crabs snails crayfish and lots of the smaller fish like green neon tetras. I can only find the regular neon tetra at all the stores near me. So Im sure I will be ordering from him again. I mean I order mid day Monday recived shipment email Tuesday and got shrimp on Wednesday
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About an hour or so after settling in the tank they all pretty much cherried up except one. One of them.is still mostly clear with a line of red down the back. Again I'm a 100% fine with this because I know I'm gonna have an angel in the tank (will be last fish added and smallest I can find) and know these shrimp will be at risk. So I didn't opt for the super red shrimp. There big and very active they have been bouncing all over my tank since they been in here. Even seen bunch of them hop onto the intake of the filter and hop right off. So I think since it's so packed with media I obviously slowed down the flow enough that the shrimp are fine on it. I have some pics that I'm gonna post up in a few minutes.
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Again these pics are only about 2 hours or so after getting into the tank and already having great color.

One of my berried females I belive I have 2 maybe 3


Here goes the back corner by the intake strainer. Here you can see one of the shrimp hoping off of it after picking at some of the plant stuck to it. And a few others


Here goes a couple hanging out on flounder this seems to be most popular spot. I think it's because the flow from the spray bar kinda shoots everything into that side.


Here goes one that decide to climb the Anarchis in the tank and check out the view


And here goes one that decided to got to the very top


Another shot of a few on flounder. Maybe it's the yellow


Couple just getting some banana action


And couple by the Ludwiga
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Nice shrimp. I know the owner of bobstropicalplants.com site. I'm glad you chose him. He has reasonable prices.
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Nice shrimp. I know the owner of bobstropicalplants.com site. I'm glad you chose him. He has reasonable prices.
Yea I think you where the one that told me about them. So thanks for that. I read some bad reviews on him after I placed the order but was looking at the dates and most bad ones where from few years ago. All the newer reviews from this year where all good so i decided to try him out. And I'm very happy with his service and stock. I to now will be backing him up and giving his name out for shrimp and other products. I will be ordering from him again.
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Yeah it was me. I ordered from him once though, the shipment was good so now I recommend him for cherry shrimp.

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Bobstropicalplants.com does have all types of other shrimp. I mean they have Sakura shri.p that are about $4 a shrimp. And diffrent colors from blues yellows reds crystal reds and blacks. Tiger shrimp Amano freshwaterautolinker.com autolinking image thai micro crabs snails crayfish and lots of the smaller fish like green neon tetras. I can only find the regular neon tetra at all the stores near me. So Im sure I will be ordering from him again. I mean I order mid day Monday recived shipment email Tuesday and got shrimp on Wednesday
I just received an order from a different site and I want to compare my site to bobs. How much was the shipping and for what kind of shipping?

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$38 priority express. Basically was one day shipping and again that was for 20 shrimp
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So woke up this morning and ran out to take soon to school lights where all blue. Took a glance and yeah shrimp jumping all around. But after running around and picking back up my son and get home, I noticed 3 dead shrimp on the substrate. :-(

But doctoring I still have 17 and hopefully one of the berried females will pop soon. Figure its just a numbers game. I will probably do a big water change since I haven't done one yet. Probably around 40%-50% .

But my question is should I take out the dead shrimp or just leave them in their for them to eat?
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The shells have calcium in them and I think that the other shrimp will gain the calcium from the dead shrimp. But I could be wrong about this.

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What is your lighting set-up, do you also use C02
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