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I prime (actually use safe{seachems dry version of prime}) when I fill.No harm in adding it right away,it won't wear off or anything.I own a chlorine test kit so I do know it works almost instantly, but I like to treat when I fill just the same.
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Just an update on the WC barrel: I didn't have time to age it, so I tried something and it seems to have worked.. I held the python above the barrel when filling it rather than lay it inside submersed. I figured this would agitate the warm tap water going in thus speeding up the process. At the same time an airstone at the bottom to further aerate. Once the submersible pump was hooked up I ran it for about 10 minutes straight back into the barrel holding hose above, circulating some more. When I pumped it back into the aquarium soon after, that grayish haze was gone and micro bubbles were next to none the process of aging my water may come eventually, but I will try this for a while to see if it's consistent and non damaging to the fish. ATM, the ph is 7.2 in both aquarium and tap. High I know, as my driftwood lowers the ph in the tank over time, what's the best thing to do? Say eventually it's 6.6-6.8 in there, will my 7.2 tap water be too much of a shock with a 30% WC?
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I am on a well, and have untreated tap water. pH is 7.4 out of the faucet. When I change water, I am a bucketeer and do the 5 gallon shuffle right to the tank. I used Prime at first, but haven't bothered for the last few months. I just make sure the temp is the same as the tank and dump it in. Seems to be working fine, but would I see much benefit from curing water in a barrel for a day or so with a heater, bubbler and power head? A submersible pump in a barrel on wheels would certainly make water changes easier, but that aside am I doing myself an injustice by not curing my water?
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Murph;letting your water age may allow the pH to adjust .What is the pH of your tank compared to out of your tap.Even thogh it is well water, it may "adjust" when exposed to open air.3 of my 32g rubbermaids are on the wheeled cart they make and sell especially for them.It really does make things so easy to pull the water right to the tank and prep it in another part of the basement.



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DAD ; the difference 7.2 to 6.6 for water change really shouldn't be alot of trouble,BUT I would not give all the pH lowering credit to your wood.It is what MIGHT just take place if you aged your water.How water comes out of your tap is not always how it settles out.Again once exposed to oxygen the water will adjust to its natural level.
Most discusautolinker.com autolinking image are not wild caught anymore so the low pH is not so necessary for keeping.It is more important(not even the pH but more the gH/kH) for breeding and the eggs.It is also the kH that holds your pH steady or not.
There can be some issues with microbubbles(not good) so I think you helping things be better even just doing it how you are.
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Here's a post on gas bubble disease.It has been a while since I read the link, but I believe there was some good info in them and quickly reading just post;the air pump,and holding the python above the water(as you said you did) is a BIG help in this issue.
https://www.aquariumforum.com/f5/gbd-...bubble+disease



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Murph;letting your water age may allow the pH to adjust .What is the pH of your tank compared to out of your tap.Even thogh it is well water, it may "adjust" when exposed to open air.3 of my 32g rubbermaids are on the wheeled cart they make and sell especially for them.It really does make things so easy to pull the water right to the tank and prep it in another part of the basement.
The tank and tap are the same pH. I think I will set up a barrel just to make life easier.
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Oh my.... Thanks CB for that link, It makes sense and answers a lot of questions I had. Seems like aging water is the only way to go if you are on city water. My tricks do help, but i'll have to consider a system for wc's that allow me to age it first. Biggest prob is my aquarium is in full view in my family room, big brute is gonna look bad sitting there so often. How do those wheels fare on hardwood floors? I'd hide it while it ages but unless they are soft rubber they will likely damage my floors:(. Anyway, thanks again. Great help, as always!
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Depending on how full you get the cans each will weigh about 250lbs. Your floor should be okay as long as you keep it clean. The clean surface will make sure the wheels don't scratch the floor.

Do you know what your actual ph is? Is the 7.2 value after the water has sat out for a while? Driftwood changes will fade over time and usually after a couple of months the effect that they were giving for ph, are gone.



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Depending on how full you get the cans each will weigh about 250lbs. Your floor should be okay as long as you keep it clean. The clean surface will make sure the wheels don't scratch the floor.

Do you know what your actual ph is? Is the 7.2 value after the water has sat out for a while? Driftwood changes will fade over time and usually after a couple of months the effect that they were giving for ph, are gone.
Thanks, i'll see what I can manage (i'm not very strong lol), but i've been keeping fish for years with no adverse effects by not aging the water, just doing wc's differently (bucket) on a smaller scale (smaller tank) at this point i'm thinking my new agitation and aeration process with the larger volume brute might just make my tap water safe enough for my fish. I'll see how today's WC goes...
The ph of my water appears to be 7.2 to 7.4, both tank and tap. Tank showed 7.6(bottom blue color) so tested high range and showed lowest value (7.4) and yet a week ago tank tested 7.2... B4 some big water changes that is. I know now my old tank suffered from "old tank syndrome" because test strips always showed 6.6-6.8. I don't think I need to worry about ph, i'm more concerned with bb#2 since i've had a couple low nitrite readings over the last couple weeks that stressed my fish. All should adjust soon enough, it appears meds really screwed things up with my newly established bio filter:/

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The wheels on the rubbermaid carts are rubber(urathane) so they shouldn't damage floor.Pulling even heavy wieght on wheels is not like lifting heavy weights.I would rather pull my 32G then pour a 5g bucket into a tank.I'm lucky that I can keep all these things in my basement so it is not an eyesoar.



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I would concur that you do not add, to any tank, water is not prepared for the tank per Rod4Rodger. That said I do not do water changes, I use a larger filtration setup and a more natural tank.
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I must also absolutely concur, Discusbreeder, with advice R4R shared, as well as others, it's been months now using aged water, and the proof is in the pudding lol. All my fish swim into the current of the aged water being pumped back during a WC rather than the beginning days of them hiding stressed when I tried using un-aged water. It takes 20 minutes doing 40% WC on a 90. No lifting, my life is a breeze, and my discusautolinker.com autolinking image love me for it
I now have 3 female discusautolinker.com autolinking image who take turns spawning, resulting in about 1 spawn a week. Same male, oddly enough, but have had approx 160 wigglers, hatched in a separate container. Artifically rearing is not for me, lost them all days 3 and 4 of free swimming:(. Can't get powdered egg yolk here, or do 5/6 feeds and wc's a day. So parents will have to be involved going forward, at least for the first week free swimming, then bbs they will eat and I could take over then We'll see, parents of a batch laid 48 hours ago just ate the eggs, again, maybe they'll get it right eventually at least they're having fun!
So, thanks to all who helped me get started, you really made all the difference in my success this far! :D
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