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It certainly seems you are doing all that is humanly possible. While it is easy for me to say, "stay the course", I really hope you do. Imagine the rewarding emotions you'll have when you finally do achieve success. Probably like life-long Cubs fans when those lovable losers finally win a World Series. But I bet it won't take you 100 years. ;-)

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It certainly seems you are doing all that is humanly possible. While it is easy for me to say, "stay the course", I really hope you do. Imagine the rewarding emotions you'll have when you finally do achieve success. Probably like life-long Cubs fans when those lovable losers finally win a World Series. But I bet it won't take you 100 years. ;-)
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Haha.... good! :-)

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i dont know how hard it is to raise the fry, but if you ever get to the point where you are getting fry and they arent living, i have some unconventional methods that are doing wonders for me for raising fry. they probably just need time though, being a new pair and all.

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So I think they layed the eggs last evenning.I dosed the tank with methylene blue two days ago.Possibly the MB will help the eggs to develope without any fungas(can't be sure previous white eggs were unfertalised or just attacked by fungas).
The parents also switched to a smaller inverted pot this time.
I will do a 10-15 gallon water change today and then leave them alone till we see what the outcome is this time.



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Fingers crossed !

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All eggs gone this a.m.
I'm lost what to do or think.
Possibly these two need to go back in the 180 for a while?
The egg eating is really a bad habbit that may never change without corrective action.
Possibly since any interference on my behalf could not yield worse results I'll remove the eggs and try to artificially hatch them this next time.
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It will be that much sweeter when they come around.
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Bummer !

Yes, maybe a break from the breeding tank will help.

Looking forward to the day you announce you have healthy fry !

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I spent today cleaning the breeding tank.I thoroughly scrubbed all surfaces,pots and the slates.I removed all live plants.I read that even the slightest current(from bubblers) could displace some of the sperm,so I moved both sponge filters to the opposite end from the pots and slates.I changed aprox.75% water replaced with new RO with "ro right" added at 1 teaspoon per 5 gallon(this is what I've been using).I did alot of reading on artificially raising fry/eggs, and although this seems fairly simple,I'm not trying to breed "professionally",I am just trying to "sieze" the oppurtunity,and further enjoy my hobby(I kind of feel like the angry golfer who says it relaxes them).I figure that only one of the parents are eating the eggs and from my observation the male tends them much tighter than the female.So if I can catch them in the act and be present soon enough I'm going to seperate the male from the eggs with a divider in the tank and give the female a chance to watch over the eggs without interference.We'll see how it goes .I'm trying to be patient and give it as many chances to "naturally occur " as possible.



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it hasnt really been all that long. i waited for months for my rainwater killies to breed, kept trying different things to help them along. eventually, i gave up and ignore them. i guess they just needed to grow up a bit, since they have been breeding non-stop for the past several months now.

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...never thought i would attribute that phrase to a fish.

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it hasnt really been all that long. i waited for months for my rainwater killies to breed, kept trying different things to help them along. eventually, i gave up and ignore them. i guess they just needed to grow up a bit, since they have been breeding non-stop for the past several months now.

a watched pot never boils...

...never thought i would attribute that phrase to a fish.
Think it would be a lil easier if they weren't breeding but to breed that many times with no results is extra frustrating.
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Thanks guys.I probably wouldn't be out of my head if they didn't lay eggs every week.I just kinda look in at the angels(right under them in 33 long) and they haven't layed eggs a second time yet.No big deal on the angels, they'll do what they want when they want to.I might feel different if they were laying eggs every week,but for now they don't so it's easy to be patient.Everything I read says they might eat a set of eggs or two and that you shouldn't let them get in the habbit,seperate the eggs or pull parents and artificially hatch.I never even thought I would stand the chance of breeding discusautolinker.com autolinking image nor did I get them to even attempt it, but they lay eggs like crazy.They're kind of driving me crazy.I told my wife today "sometime I swear I see little bubbles comming from them like they're laughing at me".



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Keeping a sense of humor definately helps me as I can easily make this seem more serious than it is.It is frustrating just trying to figure out if I'm doing something wrong.
It's very humbling and gives me empathy for all newbs who strugle with "simple" issues like cycling and such.
I guess experience really does make things easier and I still feel like a beginner.A beginner who has kept fish for over 30 years!
Without as much effort as I offer these two fish I have bred;just about all common livebeares(no biggy),many colors of gouramis,long finned white clouds and had the same success with two of my perculas in a 135 about 20 years ago(they layed eggs like 15 times with out ever seeing fry).I am prepping to try to breed my picaso clowns presently so I guess I should be prepared for a greater challenge,possibly these two are just getting me ready for the challenge.
I anticipate I will feel great joy if and when I can share sucess with you all.



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And trust me, after following your thread religiously, many of us will share in your joy along with you!

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the fact that they keep teasing you does make it so much worse lol

that said, i DO caution you to keep from getting too excited about it everytime you see eggs. the constant emotional rollercoaster would be enough to wear ANYONE out...

im not quite sure what makes them eat their eggs(fertile ones), but i remember talking to a guy who made his living breeding discusautolinker.com autolinking image in florida(had a big facility set up for it) who told me that they sometimes eat their eggs when they are nervous. to that end, most of their breeder tanks had black cloth covering the front glass most of the time.

i have never kept discusautolinker.com autolinking image, but they seem to be a bit on the shy side. maybe something like that will help?

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I have considered "wrapping " the tank.They are in a very low traffic room(downstairs in the fishroom) not in my main living quaters.I removed the light from their tank and have seriously thought of covering the tank.Seems like a good idea.



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Taking Aubans thoughts into consideration(nervous/stressed fish) I can only say that the infamous pair are laying eggs right now on a slate.I shut down powerhead(on opposite end) and will not post pictures as I'm going to try not to stress them in any way.Probably going to put up cardboard on bottom 12" of tank tomorrow when I lower the water level.So lets see if less"paparazzi" helps them at all.
I actually thought in the beginning that the picture taking and flash would have bothered them , but dismissed it as they kept laying through the shoot and on their every 6-7 day schedule.
Willing to try anything,I may still seperate the male to the other end of tank tomorrow also.



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