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So they are really like clock work as I now expect and look for eggs every 4 days.I almost wanted to post this a.m. to expect photos today, but thought it bold!
Here they are regardless laying eggs right now.
I need to try something like lights on 24/7 and a newer fashioned seperator this time or I may feel inclined to try artificially hatching these eggs as the last time I don't think that there were that many eggs that were not properly fertalised as most were still amber the night before day 2 ,which is when they will hatch if allowed.
I feel I will lose my mind(if only for 4 days)if these eggs don't make it further than all the others.
So I have a much coarser seperator ready and the willingness to use it.I will install it tomorrow evening,hopefully before they eat them.I will photo the seperator in action then and update with any new news.
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So here is new seperator.It is cheap plastic gutter mesh.Seemed like the perfect application for this product.Lots more flow of water is going to get through this.I pointed the powerhead on the other end of tank more towards them as now the parents won't be able to get to them.There seems to be a few more white eggs this time than last but not too many.Possibly it only seems like more since the parents did not eat the three white eggs first noticed this a.m.
Possibly them not eating the bad eggs is a sign they weren't going to eat them at all this time , but I'll take no chances.
So if they all don't turn white by tomorrow should/could see some fry?
I'll be turning the powerhead off tomorrow late in the morning,as the fry could be hatching in the afternoon(48 hrs.).



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No eggs hatched! Although it seems like this has been going on forever ,I looked back to the original "discusautolinker.com autolinking image eggs in 180 community" thread and this really all started on 12/03/12.So the male still being immature is a clear option.Reading says 3 months longer for male to mature than female so maybe (if ever with theses two) no sucess will be had till March or so!I'm sure they will continue to lay eggs,and I will be excited every time ,but patience(longer than cycling OMG!) is not even a choice but the avenue these fish lead me.I hope this is just part of the learning curve for them and I.They are getting much larger in their own tank with regular blood worm feeding and I just found frozen beef heart yesterday(listed as best food for discusautolinker.com autolinking image).
Since losing my "female" bold red universe it seems another female(oddly colored with natural colored spots) has started to befreind the male,possibly another pair to be seperated eventually, we'll see!



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So it's been 4 days(since last eggs went bad) and I knowing this particulary looked and suprise,eggs.They seem to be getting more consistent with using the flower pot(yea!)although I'm hard pressed to feel a different outcome will happen sooner or later they'll pull through.I will do nothing to disturb them and just observe.So on the 7th I'll let you all know if they hatched or not.As I said before they are getting really large,the second picture is the "semi-productive" pair in their 55g.So here's our four day fix and I'll just bet that on the 11th I'll post pics of the next batch of eggs?



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So it's been 4 days(since last eggs went bad) and I knowing this particulary looked and suprise,eggs.They seem to be getting more consistent with using the flower pot(yea!)although I'm hard pressed to feel a different outcome will happen sooner or later they'll pull through.I will do nothing to disturb them and just observe.So on the 7th I'll let you all know if they hatched or not.As I said before they are getting really large,the second picture is the "semi-productive" pair in their 55g.So here's our four day fix and I'll just bet that on the 11th I'll post pics of the next batch of eggs?
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So just a note that eggs still remain! Less than 1/2 are white and many of the amber colored ones are developing oval shape.Every other time they would have been eaten or all look white by now, so we'll see tomorrow.



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Finally!I really could barely see with just my eyes, but the first zoomed in pic is what I've been waiting for!There are little fish stuck on that pot!I of course realise that they may not make it a whole lot farther(this time),but a step in the right direction,and a little reassurance for me and the male.
When I noticed eggs were still there yesterday and not being eaten I unplugged the powerhead and turned down the air hoping.So I'll keep my eye on them and see what the parents do with them.I really was starting to wonder if they would ever get this right.I'll try to get pics if I can see them off the pot.Either way more to come with maybe better results.YEA!



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Finally!I really could barely see with just my eyes, but the first zoomed in pic is what I've been waiting for!There are little fish stuck on that pot!I of course realise that they may not make it a whole lot farther(this time),but a step in the right direction,and a little reassurance for me and the male.
When I noticed eggs were still there yesterday and not being eaten I unplugged the powerhead and turned down the air hoping.So I'll keep my eye on them and see what the parents do with them.I really was starting to wonder if they would ever get this right.I'll try to get pics if I can see them off the pot.Either way more to come with maybe better results.YEA!
Awesome, congrats...finally a step forward. Keep the pics coming

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So day 2 and what fry that hatched still seem to be "hanging" in there.I saw the male fanning still yesterday and blow a fry off the pot.He quickly picked fry up(in mouth{no hands!}) and attempted to place back on pot.I couldn't tell if he was sucessful or not but he didn't eat it right away.
Both parents seem to tending the fry but have not removed the bad eggs yet.I wonder if the fry can eat the bacteria of bad eggs or if the parents are still trying to figure out what to do.
Eitherway a pleasant suprise to see them still there today.I have not left light on at night yet,but feel inclined when they are off the pot so the parents can mind them.



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Awesome!! Hoping those little fry survive!!

You could have turned this adventure into a reality TV show. :-)

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So as of this a.m. I see only two still on the pot.I couldn't find any others but they could be anywhere .
Yesterday I watched the male catch and try to replace fry that "fell" off pot.He was very gentle and dilligent.Some did stick back on pot and some did not.He kept trying as long as he saw where they fell.Once they landed on bottom I had a very hard time seeing them.
So it is possible they could be in the tank(not bellies of parents) and I don't see them. I will observe the parents today and see if they know where they are,I read the parents might move them to a safer spot.
Eitherway seeing some hatch(about 33%) is a major step forward for these two and myself.More to come.



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Any news? Spot any more fry yet?

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great!! now i'm all anxious to see more! lol
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So day 2 and what fry that hatched still seem to be "hanging" in there.I saw the male fanning still yesterday and blow a fry off the pot.He quickly picked fry up(in mouth{no hands!}) and attempted to place back on pot.I couldn't tell if he was sucessful or not but he didn't eat it right away.
Both parents seem to tending the fry but have not removed the bad eggs yet.I wonder if the fry can eat the bacteria of bad eggs or if the parents are still trying to figure out what to do.
Eitherway a pleasant suprise to see them still there today.I have not left light on at night yet,but feel inclined when they are off the pot so the parents can mind them.
This is really awesome and exciting for you i know , my rams are starting to try but with no success just yet . Im excited for you really , i know the frustration you were starting to feeling with the eggs .
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I looked very hard yesterday for any fry.They could be behind a slate as the parents were hanging out behind one alot.I don't see any and would think I could have found 1 or so.
I changed water from the tank,not vacumming just to be safe.
If these two fish taught me nothing else I've learned patience.The eggs will hatch and they will raise them when they are ready.All I can do is feed them properly and keep water quality high.
Depending on how the fry affected the parents egg laying schedule, should see next batch of eggs any time now,so we'll see if things keep getting better.
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So seeng no "parental activity" I vacummed tank carefully.It looked like they were doing their thing yesterday and maybe I missed it or they layed eggs this a.m.(I think I missed it since they layed eggs on back side of pot this time).Hoping they only get better at what they're doing and we have some fry pics friday night or saturday.There schedule slowed alittle as far as calander time ,but really seems to be about 4 days after eggs hatched this time.So I'm a little more excited this time.It's hard to see all the eggs ,but it also "seems" they may have been layed in a little tighter cluster this time.So updates tomorrow or sat!



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So the adventure continues.All eggs are gone this a.m.
I'll have to guess they were eaten.As of yesterday about 15 out of maybe 100 had turned white.They were grouped tighter and placed only on the top rim of the pot.So I'll also guess that next batch of eggs will be in 4 more days(2/20/13),and I just have to wait and see what's up.
I have to say in the beginning I said I would have liked to see a wiggler or two just to know if this will ever work out so,at least I think I'm waiting for something good to come along now.



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Jobe may have been inspired by your patience. As always, thanks for the update!

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Jobe may have been inspired by your patience. As always, thanks for the update!
Beleive me when I say I have tried to talk some sense into these fish,but if stubborn or non compliant weren't listed in their character I would definately like to add them to the list!
There really doesn't seem to be alot I can do.I have read and even seen how "professional breeders" use others to entice better parental/breeding behavior,but even on the first batch of eggs in December in the 180,having another male with this one really seemed to be a 24/7 battle between them.I don't really feel comfortable trying this in a mere 55g,and would be heartbroken if bad things happened,so I wait.
I truely would like to do something,but can't imagine I have a better plan than the powers to be.I really just want to create more than I have purchased ,as this fits my "put back more than I take" plan I have for everything.IMO this plan is usually very rewarding for more than just myself,but often leads down a road of seemingly no control.



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