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Looks like most eggs are still there, but I'm in no hurry and am realising that I don't have a clue(by my sucess rate with these two).I will leave them till tomorrow night,by then they either should be gone or can probably safely be judged bad.I will keep sump filter off and keep runnong the sponges throughout this time.I will change at least 50% water and replace 75% with RO.I will make a different seperator and hope this plays out again.I see no fry but also know from my experience with longfinned white clouds that fry can be so small they really can be impossible to see(why I won't run sump again for a while).Also stated that the parents will move fry and seeing mother near bottom of heater just makes me wonder?



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Well it's about time you updated lol, find myself following this like it's my own tank. Want to be seeing some pics of babies soon!!
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What's the purpose of the large water change?

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Looks like most eggs are still there, but I'm in no hurry and am realising that I don't have a clue(by my sucess rate with these two).I will leave them till tomorrow night,by then they either should be gone or can probably safely be judged bad.I will keep sump filter off and keep runnong the sponges throughout this time.I will change at least 50% water and replace 75% with RO.I will make a different seperator and hope this plays out again.I see no fry but also know from my experience with longfinned white clouds that fry can be so small they really can be impossible to see(why I won't run sump again for a while).Also stated that the parents will move fry and seeing mother near bottom of heater just makes me wonder?

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discusautolinker.com autolinking image prefer extremely clean water.While breeding(maybe all the time) they excrete a mucus(the slime the babies feed off of) that really gets all over tank.Many discus breeders actually wipe down the whole tank thoroughly every week.
Regular discus keepers are known to change sometimes over 50% daily.
Discus I' ve come to realise with aquiring larger size and being fed even almost properly(up to 6 times a day) are really almost as filthy(waste makers) as goldfishautolinker.com autolinking image,oscars and plecos.
Their water has not been changed even a little in 4 days.
and finally it's just my habit to change water for all my fish as often and as much a possible.
It's a falisy that any fish stresses from often or large water changes.Changing water is the best thing you can do for your fish along with feeding properly and housing with appropriate tank mates.
Anyone(I seen post)who says water changes stress fish does not acclimate their water properly.
Also just trying to get more RO into this mix as I need to try anything to help these two have sucess.



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Well it's about time you updated lol, find myself following this like it's my own tank. Want to be seeing some pics of babies soon!!
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Pulled seperater off eggs today and what remained were definately infected with fungas.I'm definately going to increase my RO water % .They seem to be eyeballing the other heater already so I moved the third heater(from sump ) to the bottom of their tank because if one of the heaters on the side is plugged in they'll probably lay on that one!Home early today so going to get right on changing water,as they seem to really keep moving along.Thanks everyone for your interest,I'm really trying to get us all some fry pictures
Vaccumed tank removing about 80 gallons.Replaced about 20 G with RO.Going to keep tank at about 12" deep.Will vaccum another 10 g later this evening and replace with RO.I don't want to substatute the male or move them till I've exhausted all reasonable efforts.
I've always thought trying to do your best is like trying not to lie. So I will do my best;changing water conditions and anything else I am aware of.I realise trying to keep a schedule on these two is diffacult if not random,but the last batch of eggs was 4 days from previous so possibly eggs tomorrow.Broken old record but I need to hurry up with changes(all must be done tonight).Possibly I will not use a separater as I have drastically altered the water chemistry with RO.There is the chance that although they are happy enough to spawn in my regular(tap 7.6pH) water that the eggs still need softer more acid(lower pH) water.




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OK no fry pics yet, but is next best?
This is a picture of them laying eggs right now!
There are two others in 120 gallery and main photos(site).
The water has been adjusted to 6.6pH and cleaned very well.
I installed a power head with fine filter cleaner taoday to help keep tank clean.
I will leave power head on till tomorrow evening(it's not pointed at the eggs{on heater as usuall}).
Besides the hatch(maybe all on me, but I'm trying) these two are die hard breeders.
I'm watching them and if the eggs aren't fertile then the male is not potent,as by watching them(my first time seeing it) he is right by her side and does not hesitate 5 seconds before going over them.
They really seem synchronised.
The female is in front(top) with male right behind her in picture!
They spent alot of the day hiding behind one of the slates together, but spent the last 1/2 hour cleaning heater.
They even keep cleaning it as they lay the eggs.
Pictures of all the eggs to follow this evening when they're done!



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Day one and some of these eggs are white already.Since water chemistry has been altered(6.6pH) and I saw the male right behind the female,doing his job,I'm already leaning towards he is not potent.I can't be sure but if these eggs all go bad or get eaten(possibly because they're bad) I think I will switch males right after this.



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Day 2 a.m. most(more than 1/2) the eggs have been eaten and 80% of what is left is white.I really have no clue what is not going right,so I think my only choice to improve chances of actually having fry is to switch males.I will read what I can on discusautolinker.com autolinking image sites,to see if I'm missing something, but really feel the male is not fertalising the eggs.Possibly it is just fungas on eggs and that's what I'm mostly going to look for.



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All eggs gone this evening so in an attempt to resolve this issue tomorrow I will switch males.I'll be placing my bold red universe in the 120 instead of the male that matches the female.If this works then there should be some very interesting colors to come.If they don't work out I'll have to try treating eggs with either methylene blue or hydrogen peroxide.Well I'll try to post picture of new male tomorrow.
I'll add without my prior experience(all bad) I would think there might be fry(the timming was right.But since the eggs were 1/2 gone this a.m. and what remained didn't look healthy I feel more confident changing males than trying to treat the eggs.If I continue to have the same issue I will move on to treating the eggs.




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Latest research says that the male takes longer to mature than female.I knew this(as I read this before),but didn't know that the immature male would still go through all the motions.Most sites say be patient.I am however still going to exchange males tomorrow and maybe give the original a chance again in several months.I just happened to notice the other day that particles of food were stuck to the side of my bold red universe.It was stuck to his slime coat.I have not seen this on the others and since he was very dominant ,and aggressive towards the pair in the 180 I fell confident he is mature.I never even noticed as clearly the slime coat on either of the pair as what I saw on the BRU.So possibly all these efforts have been with a immature male,or actuall beside the defensive posturing between the two in the 180,not 100% sure her mate is a male?He acts like a male but very tough to tell as I didn't even notice the vent on female to compare with the male(I did see his/her vent).It really seemed like he did his thing and being immature is a better thought than impotent.




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Ok I didn't change males.I figured if the male matures slower(they say 3 months on average)and that my female has not been laying eggs for 3 months yet(seems like forever to me though).So the pair actually laid eggs on slate today!Possibly a step in the right direction,we'll see.
On the other male ,a note;I noticed that what I would assume was a female (for him,Bold red universe) was cleaning the same spot in 180 the first pair spawned on.I changed 60 gallons and dosed tank with flourish excel,comprehensive supplement and iron(less than full dose) and found the would be female dead the next day:( My nitrates according to API liquid was a solid 80,but less than 160 considerably(pretty bunk reading I know).So I changed water immediately and tried to pull myself together(haven't lost any existing fish in months).Basically waiting things out and watching water very closely now.
I was considering moving the breeding pair to a new 55g this weekend but with the eggs and all that is on hold now. More to come.
Eggs are on back edge of slate near female in picture.



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Eggs remain! Whether they're good or not they were not completely eaten as quickly this time.So besides being laid on slate their duration is another good sign.I have resigned myself to just be patient and give them the time they need.
I may however move them to the 55g as I feel that tank would be fine for them and could use the 120 for "another experiment".
I think I want to put my two marine bettas(comets) and my pair of picaso clown fish in the 120 to see what could come from them.Many people breed clowns so besides there type no big deal,but would be too cool for me.And the comets have been bred in captivity but most people have problems with getting a pair.I have had my two for almost a year now and they were both aquired within 1 week of each other.They only come from one place in the world so (knowing this)I kinda thought I might get lucky when they arrived in my area at two different lfs.One was a little bigger than other(no reported method of sexing) so I figured I should give them a try.They have been together in my 75g reef (tight quaters) for almost a year and seem to get along,or at least they don't mind each other(anyone married?)
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The move may happen this week as the 55 is waiting empty and no big deal to move sponge filters and slates.
Hopefully(as usaull) more to come!



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Re: New 120 Up And Running

So I moved the pair to the 55 today.They seem to be fine and accepting their new place.I moved the potted plants,heater,and slates that were with them so it kinda looks familiar to them.Kinda feel like I kicked them out of the "penthouse" and moved them into a "studio", but I think they will adapt.
I think my angels will be moving in to the 33 long(48x12) under them as they just laid eggs in the 180 tonight(new thread"koi angels breeding")!



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Pimping with style!I really thought they were going to lay eggs today and even thought it was going to be on flowerpot.I'll admit I watched them for a while ,noticing they were cleaning the flowerpot while I acclimated the angels to the 33L under them.The water is slightly lower in pH about 6.2 as I used straight RO to fill tank yesterday before moving them.The transfer doesn't seem to have phased them too much.Sooner or later I really think the results of these two is going to change and we'll see fry,maybe this time?



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Awesome, didn't take them long in the new tank. Good luck

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I think they layed on day one in the 120 if I remember correctly.This move invovled a 100% water change(totall RO,freshautolinker.com autolinking image and new).I moved their slates,heater and the 2 potted plants.If done correctly MASSIVE WATERCHANGES are always GOOD.It's really how my fish grow faster and I feel why they choose to breed.Changing massive water allows fish to be fed as much as you can give them and I really think many try not to feed alot(sorta starve)their fish to avoid proper maintenance.



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Eggs after 24 hours.Only 2 were white this am(on the outer edge of egg mass).They ate the bad ones and not the rest yet! During the day a few more seem to turning white but not as many as before.We'll see how this turns out tomorrow.May leave lights on tonight(Susans advice on angel eggs).Sounds like a good idea to provide a more safe feeling for parents.




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Left ceiling light on last night(2x60{pretty bright}) but to no avail.All eggs are gone this a.m. .It really seemed like most of the eggs were still amber and viable.Next time tank light on for24/7.The tank does not have a hood so I really thought the ceiling light would be enough.



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