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ok, although probably impossible to see if there was any fry,I decided to turn the main filter back on.I thoroughly searched(bare bottom makes it easy to look up from under) for any fry and found none.There also were none on the parents so I figured it was better to keep the pair healthy and safe than risk bad water and the dangers for maybe a few fry.I had removed about 35-40 gallons so I refilled with my RO/DI and figured I'll adjust the water from here out to possibly get better results.It seemed on day two there were a lot more white eggs than in the 180 before,possibly new tank(water) or I even speculate the heater might have been on for a couple hours right after they layed the eggs.In the 180 they layed the eggs on the overflow which is black and being the heater is black I wonder if they're attracted to dark colors(they say that's how the fry find parent{searching for dark spots}).Anyway they tended the eggs well,and seemed like they removed the white ones by the afternoon,so I'll just wait and hopefully there will be a next time , and try again.
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Sounds tricky...is it any easier to breed in a smaller tank as there's less area to search for eggs/fry?

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ok, although probably impossible to see if there was any fry,I decided to turn the main filter back on.I thoroughly searched(bare bottom makes it easy to look up from under) for any fry and found none.There also were none on the parents so I figured it was better to keep the pair healthy and safe than risk bad water and the dangers for maybe a few fry.I had removed about 35-40 gallons so I refilled with my RO/DI and figured I'll adjust the water from here out to possibly get better results.It seemed on day two there were a lot more white eggs than in the 180 before,possibly new tank(water) or I even speculate the heater might have been on for a couple hours right after they layed the eggs.In the 180 they layed the eggs on the overflow which is black and being the heater is black I wonder if they're attracted to dark colors(they say that's how the fry find parent{searching for dark spots}).Anyway they tended the eggs well,and seemed like they removed the white ones by the afternoon,so I'll just wait and hopefully there will be a next time , and try again.
20 days was the time inbetween the last two.

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Many breed them in much smaller tanks(29 and up).I may after clearing out 100+ swordtails this weekend move them to the 75g .That would ease keeping track of them and give more grow out room and much more powerful filtration to my showa,painted and kio swords(I have enough of these guys{50-100} to really start focused breeding of them).The bare bottom tank and "hollow "stands I make,really do make it easier to search out anything.Kinda cool looking up at it all also.The discusautolinker.com autolinking image fry feed off the parent for the first week(they don't swim well)so seeing none on the parents was really the deciding factor,but I thoroughly searched,believe me!



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So I'll make a huge guess that the previous eggs didn't hatch out due to heater being on for short time before I noticed them.These fish just don't get it!I woke up this a.m. and EGGS again on the other heater! Most already look discolored,but since I'm still learning I can't be sure.The discusautolinker.com autolinking image at least seem to have taken well to there new home as the time between eggs was only 1 week this time.I have read they could lay eggs every week for a 15 week cycle twice a year.
I unplugged the heater as soon as I noticed them this a.m.,but who knows.Possibly they're using the heater,as they are in the back behind the pot giving a little "cover".I will monitor them and consider placing a slate in the back sometime before next eggs.
Anyone have a clue?
I've often remarked without failure sucess would not seem so sweet,but these guys are really "building me up",for some excitement(I hope).
The learning continues and I may even try a little methalyne blue on these eggs,I'm not sure if it will make a difference or not.



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You could try partitioning your heater off so they lay their eggs somewhere else :-)

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Actually just thought of covering heater with pvc pipe to prevent this from happenning over and over again.Or I could place acitve heater in sump and then turn on one in tank after they lay eggs and I shut down filter.I really didn't think they would lay eggs again so quickly since they waited 20 days last time.The learning goes on,but I hope to resolve this issue and move on to the part I thought would more diffacult(raising them).



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All eggs have been eaten this a.m. I will now have to work fast on addressing the issues these fish have presented.Traded 150 swords yesterday so they could go to the 75 or maybe even a 55/45 4 footer.I'll figure what I'm going to do taday and post changes.These fish just keep me guessing?



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Actually just thought of covering heater with pvc pipe to prevent this from happenning over and over again.Or I could place acitve heater in sump and then turn on one in tank after they lay eggs and I shut down filter.I really didn't think they would lay eggs again so quickly since they waited 20 days last time.The learning goes on,but I hope to resolve this issue and move on to the part I thought would more diffacult(raising them).
Good idea there!! Maybe leave that heater in as well if they have taken a liking to it, expensive piece of slate but wth. Good luck.
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OK here we go again.Since they don't understand I must be responsible.I have only been using a heater in the sump(one of the plans) and raised temp to 82+.Since they still layed eggs on heater(completely inactive{both in tank this time,as I'm catching on!}) and neither were running and I elavated temp I'm assuming they just like the heater(possibly back to color{black}).all eggs look healthy and mom is tending them.I will feed heavily to help/hope they don't eat eggs(I think they ate last batch since they were bad from heater being on).Should be 48 hrs. to hatch time aprox. so start the clock!
I have hope upon first seeing this clutch of eggs that MAYBE these could be the ones that make it.The tank is a little more mature,the water cut a little with RO(not much change in pH,but used about 30-40 gallons RO).
I'll keep filter running till tomorrow a.m. and change some water tonight.Tomorrow evening I will lower water level and slow the sponge filters,and cross my fingers.Updates to follow,these two are a solid producing pair I need to due my best with and help as much as possible.If this one doesn't pan out I will consider moving them to new 55g and see if that makes difference(gotta try everything and anything,as they're doing their part).



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And so it would appear they ate the eggs last night.I'm not sure if it's the male specifically or not as he seemed to mouthing them heavily last night(the eggs still all looked good).So if they are all eaten I will place a seperator between them and eggs next time.
Challenging?Yes.Still enjoyable?Yes.I feel privaledged either way with these beauties, but the learning curve seems steep.Gonna get this figured out sometime I hope.



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Good luck, keep us posted, I am enjoying watching the progress but ready to see some good news.

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All eggs gone! These certainly are not anywhere near as easy as swordtails(still have about 400 after trading 150 last Sat!).I will use some form of seperator next eggs to keep parents from forming a bad habbit(eating eggs).I saw Angelfishusa had a small pair of angels in with their Altums and wonder if some "competition" or reason to act differently would be a more "natural" solution.I always try to see the "bright" side of things and this batch batch of eggs "bright" side was that it was only 6 days this time.This thread(and whole forum{thanks everyone}) really helps me track the behavior and timming of things(not just these discusautolinker.com autolinking image).I'm hopeful still,although I really thought this batch might be the one,I can only feel lucky(I'd really like to be a little luckier) having this experience.So I'll guess that on the tenth or eleventh I'll be posting pics of the next batch of eggs and the separator I install.The math is playing out for possibly a B -day discusautolinker.com autolinking image gift,but that would mean two more failures.
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Eggs seem to be comming quicker than I thought.These were laid this afternoon,only 4 days after last batch.
This is my idea to put around the eggs(on the heater as usaull).It should allow good flow/circulation and keep the parents rom eating them this time.I truely wonder will this be the trick or what could happen I haven't thought of yet?
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I figured I should leave nothing to chance and placed the cover over the eggs tonight.I'm sure the parents are a little distressed over this but they ate the eggs the next morning last time.So we'll see if this helps or not.If this doesn't work I'll place my dominant bold red universe male in tank with them after this as this may raise their parental gaurd.



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i dont know how much flow you have going over the eggs, but i have often suspected that the amount of circulation they are exposed to plays a big part in egg development.

take my E. gilbertis for example, they lay their eggs as high in the plants as they can, where, in the spring runoff they are native too, they would get the most flow. having collected them myself, i can tell you that there would be no flow whatsoever at the bottom of the thickets of water weeds where the fish live.

from what i understand, discusautolinker.com autolinking image come from rivers...

just some armchair theory, but if nothing else works, its worth a shot, right?

your fish could also have fertility problems... although i hope thats not the case.

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Dang. Them sure are some egg making discusautolinker.com autolinking image'!! Makes my head spin! Good luck!! Love the updates. Keep them coming.
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lean and mean egg laying machine!

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Well the gaurd is sucessfully keeping the parents from eating eggs.There are some white ones(no good) ,but for themost part they seem to be developing well.One of my LFS(#2) guys said cichlids are notorius for laying eggs on hard smooth surfaces.He said they will probably never use the slate or terra cotta pot.My other LFS (#1) girl said (although she's more marine oriented,and knows nothing about breeding discusautolinker.com autolinking image) that sometimes fish consistently eat eggs if they know something is wrong with them.I hope their good.If they don't work out this time(should know when I get home tomorrow night), then I will place my dominant bold red universe male(him and the male of the pair were really at each other in 180) to see if that helps.If the eggs still have problems I'm going to research if I have to leave the pair together or if I can pull the male and leave the bold red universe.I'm not concerned with color or strain I get,I'd just like to get a batch and try to raise them.Just don't want to break up a pair if that's not in their nature.Does anyone know if they pair for life?
And ya, all of you are right with me,4 days blows me away.I read every week ,which I thought was quick,but 4 days is hyper drive.If my swords could adjust their timming like that I'd have about 2000 of them now(maybe that's for the better).Tonight I shut filter down and lower water level and keep my fingers crossed(not afraid to pray either,just want to seem selfish).



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So all eggs are still on heater.They seem to be light colored,maybe white.I'm no expert with these fish so I guess I can't say if they're good or not?I will leave them till tomorrow night.The cover/seperator has worked as the parents have not eaten the eggs,but possibly it is to wide(big) as when placed around heater and heater placed back against the wall there is 1-1 1/4 inch of space between it and the eggs.Possibly to much space for parents to fan the eggs.Although the color of the eggs tonight is questionable they do seem to be taking an oval shape(from original round) which is the shape of the fish more.I also read on a Holland discusautolinker.com autolinking image site last night that they could take 3 days to hatch,so maybe the parents ate them everytime on day two.I also read that discusautolinker.com autolinking image are Not monogamus so if these eggs don't work out I will fashion a better seperator with less space and would allow more flow(plastic gutter mesh) and give them one more chance.If that does not work I think I'll pull the male and replace him with my dominate bold red universe.The site said given a choice a female discus will choose a similiarly colored male.This leads me to one question and another indication in one of my beliefs.My belief is that animals are NOT color blind and many things in nature seem to indicate this as far as I'm concerned.My question believing my discus is Not color blind is HOW DOES SHE KNOW WHAT COLOR SHE IS?Nature blows me away,I often say when you think you know something well enough to predict it's behavior that is when it proves you wrong!I dig the challenge and will at somepoint have more sucess/luck than I'm getting right now.On a different note,pulled about 75 swordtail fry today of which about 50 were kio,painted or showa.These have been two years of breeding so maybe I'm a little impatient,uneducated,and expecting alot from discus to soon.Rgardless I will continue efforts as long as they let me and will update these eggs tomorrow.



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