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this forum and sub forum are amazing indeed .
i have the hobby long time ago , however i was fine tuned lately by one of my friends who is a bit professional in discusautolinker.com autolinking image fish.

i have my 200 liters aquarium, and I'm having so far 7 discusautolinker.com autolinking image of several colors , and a scavenger fish but i have them all from the same supplier.i do have a small 4 plants in the aquarium, and thermometer and a filter and big oxygen stone... however i still find that something is missing or the tank doesn't look alive .
1- the water isn't crystal clear, it tends yellowish a bit, though i have the tank a month ago , i have no idea about the time which bacteria needs to thrive and start breaking the ammonia and other wastes. ( i do sometimes smoke in the office, might it be a reason ???)
2- the filter i bought via e bay from china and it says it filters 190L/hour.. though i feel it is a bit small or not enough.
3- i change water every week, and believe me i use the 20 liters gallons which i buy to my office for drinking water cooler. i have no problem as long as the water is clean and free of nitrate , chlorine and other toxins... as you know the tap water is treated by chlorine and other chemicals. ( though i bought anti chlorine bottle)
4- by the way i live in Doha-Qatar ( next to Dubai) and as you know it is very hot here, the tank is in my big office in a well air conditioned place, the temperature of the tank is always 26 centigrade.
5 - any advise you may give in discus raising would be highly appreciated and thankful ,


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Re: i adore discus

I myself have no advice as I dont do discusautolinker.com autolinking image. However they are amazingly beautiful!

The yellow water may be due to the driftwood. For more life, add more plants.

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If i drew it it'd look like a monkey eating a horsradish on the moon or something
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i think i have heard somewhere that plecos can suck the slime coat off of discusautolinker.com autolinking image.

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if it's dry let it die,if it's wet make it a pet!!
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discusautolinker.com autolinking image get very large, so you may have more than you should have in that tank. 200 leiters is about 52 gallons.

Using discusautolinker.com autolinking image for a first cycling of a tank seems expensive, since they are said to be hard fish to keep. Cycling a tank with fish in it often means the fish die, or their lives are shortened. People who do this often choose hardy inexpensive fish. It takes many months to correctly cycle a tank. I hope you are testing the water.

The mopani wood stains the water. So do other leaves and wood. This is more natural to many large river fish. Discus are a South American fish from the Amazon river and other rivers there. The water is soft. The mopani wood is a natural water softner.

The toys in your tank worry me. Is the paint fish safe?

Yes. Discus are very beautiful fish.
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thank you very much for your valuable advises, im sure it comes from a professional people in deed, yes ill remove the resin ship and castle from the tank and change it by more natural items ex; rock, other live plants etc...
im new to discusautolinker.com autolinking image, yes.. raising discusautolinker.com autolinking image is challenging , thats true and correct however i can see the fish are happy and im taking good care of them, i can detect bacteria colonies has started at the bottom .... and even 1 male discus is asking for mating. ( showing territorial behaviour with other males)

im working on a handmade wooden cover for the tank which looks like an old country house roof.....it will be very lovely and attractive, ( ill post pictures later) however if any one can help me in what kind of LED light i have to put ? LED stripe tape, ? or led bulbs..? and any other specs like power of the light ? when it should be switched on and off.
i read a lot lately about discus, but im surei still need a lot of information,... im not taking any risk, and before i do anything im consulting
my friend who is helping me in some areas as he was a former discus keeper.




thank you a lot again for your advises and pateince

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Hi, I did not say to take your ornements out. Just make sure they are safe for fish. discusautolinker.com autolinking image are very fragile in their care. They are considered a fish for advanced fish keepers, not for beginners. Getting their care right so they live long and happy lives should be your gole. I am sure you are a good fish keeper, with good intentions. It is good you have an experienced discusautolinker.com autolinking image keeper as a friend. He will help you out.
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I got your point for the ornaments, actually i got them from e bay as fish tank decorations , but in all case i will remove them, ill count much more on natural sources and natural decoration.
you can't imagine how much looking to the tank and taking care of discusautolinker.com autolinking image is a stress releasing after an aggressive and hostile business meeting
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Hi there, ornaments are fine as long as they are from a reputable company you can trust has tested for toxins that may leach into the water... eBay is fine if there is a tag attached from such a company ie. TopFin.
A few things I want to point out you need to be careful of:
1) your substrate... It must not have shells or corals, it will raise the PH, make sure it is inert. Exact same for rocks... Limestone raises ph as well, they must also be inert. discusautolinker.com autolinking image thrive in acidic to neutral ph, anything Alkaline is not ideal and they will be stressed. Mine is 7-7.2 out of the tap and aged 24 hours and my discusautolinker.com autolinking image breed and thrive, any wild discus would not, they require more acidic water. Yours are hybrids and not wild strains therefore ok.

2) your filter looks way too small, not enough media to sustain bacteria for that kind of bio-load. EHEIM canisters are exceptional or aqua clear hang on back, a 70 or 110 would be fine on a 55. Cut a plastic water bottle lengthwise to lay in the filter at the overflow and the current will be reduced for discus. They need calm flowing water.

3) water changes...every day is best. If you want health, growth and vigor, waterchanges are your answer. Heated and aerated and aged in a barrel 24 hours will show results. Unless your tap water is extremely alkaline, treat with prime or chlorine/chloramine/ammonia etc remover and change as much as you can. I do 40-50% every other day and my fish thrive. My baby grow out bare bottom tank gets 90% aged water every day.

4). If you're using led or t5 HO lighting like I am, make sure it's well planted with tall plants to give them shade and cover, they don't like bright lights and will need to feel secure in tall grasses etc. just like in the wild

5) the tannins in any aquatic driftwood will release and go away soon enough with water changes. If you're doing waterchanges once a week, how much are you doing? Especially now, to avoid ammonia and nitrite spikes that will damage the gills of your fish and possibly kill them, you need to check levels and do frequent waterchanges. It takes at least 8 weeks for the nitrogen cycle to establish enough to process ammonia into nitrate... Stability by seachem will help plant some beneficial bacteria #1 into your filter, but time is the only way to build the second nitrifying bacteria. That's why people use fish food, pure ammonia, or sacrifice fish to produce waste to get the nitrogen cycle established before adding fish.

I hope that helps a bit and can get things settled so your aquarium will continue to provide calm and relaxation just as mine do

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Thanks a lot for your highly appreciated advises,
indeed i bought a new 3 in 1 ( sponge )filter "adjustable current " EHEIM filters are ( tremendously expensive here)
as for water changes i do the change once a week i use spring bottled water ( i do really spoil my discusautolinker.com autolinking image,) the current driftwood im having are very small so far , i'm checking the PH, bromine, chlorine levels almost every day ,
thanks for the lighting part you've mentioned ill take that into consideration, currently i'm having outside bottom fixed florescent white light,
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I have a question please,

in my 7 discusautolinker.com autolinking image tank, i noticed a week ago 1 discusautolinker.com autolinking image is all the time hiding behind an ornament, and it barely eating, actually ive never noticed it eating.. im afraid on it
is it a male trying to hide from other males? though i didnt see any signs of sickness on it, besides i bought them all together from the same supplier and from the same tank, and they are almost the same age.


please help my discus.

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I have a question please,

in my 7 discusautolinker.com autolinking image tank, i noticed a week ago 1 discusautolinker.com autolinking image is all the time hiding behind an ornament, and it barely eating, actually ive never noticed it eating.. im afraid on it
is it a male trying to hide from other males? though i didnt see any signs of sickness on it, besides i bought them all together from the same supplier and from the same tank, and they are almost the same age.


please help my discus.

thank you
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Does this discus get chased and bullied into hiding? If that's the case you might want to think about re-homing him especially since your tank is overstocked, and weekly waterchanges aren't enough for discus IMO. What percentage of the water do you change weekly btw? Even siphoning waste and leftover food daily from the bottom will help ease any overload in your filter.
What are you feeding them? One discus I brought home refused ALL food except bloodworms for a few weeks, not good all the time but I had to get him eating...

Even though they were bought from the same breeder, they originally came from different tanks since they are different strains. Even within the same sibling batch there are always weaker ones who's immune systems can't fight off diseases or bacteria as easily. Try soaking food in garlic (I use garlic guard) then squirt some food to where he's hiding. It's an immune booster and they love the taste

Are you also checking for ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates every day? Huge part when cycling a tank or noticing stress on fish....

Keep in mind that waterchanges are more often than not the key to fixing problems with discus. It flushes bacteria and parasites away, and gives your discus a breath of fresh air to help de-stress them.
What is your tap water like? If it's useable then you're better off doing more and bigger waterchanges rather than bottled water.
Discus trace by seachem puts micronutrients into the water that is beneficial to their health. I use it with good results.

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yes indeed its getting chased and bulled by a litlle bit bigger sized one...i usually feed them the special discuss food flakes, however lately i added frozen blood worm cubes to the menu and they eat it like a herd of wolves,with no eating mannes even the hiding one goes up and enjoys the blood worms.
as for the water im using the bottled spring water , i change almost 70% of the tank weekly
the filter does a 1000L/h for my 50 gal tank.
i noticed some small white dots on the tail of 1 fish, however as soon as i raised the temp of the tank a little bit by 2 degrees Centigrade, the white thing disapperared.
now the temperatrure is constant on 27 C
im checking the pH level daily and its 7.1, i will add more plants to balance the cycle.
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There's always going to be a pecking order among discusautolinker.com autolinking image, not a male female thing, in fact I find blue diamonds to be the ones who are dominant and both of mine are females. As long as your hiding discusautolinker.com autolinking image is eating fine and not showing signs of stress, he may just be low man on the totem pole. If he shows signs of stress then you should intervene and put him in another tank. I'm not sure what's in bottled water, but i'm thinking you may need to add trace minerals that discus have in their natural Amazon environment... Not sure if it's available where you live but Discus Trace by Seachem adds trace elements found in their wild habitat. Your ph is fine and sounds like everything is coming along. Adding plants is good, just be sure to remove decaying leaves and check nitrates, 5-10ppm is ideal for discus and is kept in check with waterchanges. I keep all my discus tanks between 28-29 degrees constantly, and they are happy and strong.
Keep an eye on your hiding one and sometimes they eventually adjust and find their place in the tank.
Can you post a pic of him? He may be fighting a parasite or bacterial infection because he is weakened and having trouble fighting it off... Is he breathing heavy? Flashing against objects? Is his slime coat in tact? Is he darkening? White stringy feces? These are some signs of illness that you should check for, and meds are available to treat if necessary.
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Hi,

thanks for your advises, i really appreciate it, however it looks like they are making a chain of command within themselves, the red melon discusautolinker.com autolinking image is on the top as it look like chasing and bulling the rest, even among the blue diamond discusautolinker.com autolinking image superiority can be detected.
is it something normal within discus community ?
i added some pictures of my tank , along with the one which keeps hiding.


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Hi there, cute canopy!. To me your discusautolinker.com autolinking image look healthy, colours look good, but I cant tell if there's a dark one in the pic of the whole tank in between the red melon and pigeon blood..if so, that's a bad sign of stress and/or disease.
There is definitely a chain of command within a discusautolinker.com autolinking image tank, and that's fine and normal as long as a fish isn't always hiding. That requires intervention on your part. Spawning times makes matters worse in terms of aggression, but my experience shows it's an area of the tank around the spawning site.
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Hi Kathryne,

your words has really made me happy, however the darker blue ones ( only 2 among 4) keep changing their colors, I've thought at the beginning its something related to fear, stress but it never comes to my mind its a sign of illness, however i attached few closer pictures to them.
what do you think the best to be done, pull out the Pigeon blood and red melon out of the tank ? as both of them are a bit bigger size about 1.5 inch than the rest.

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Hi Kathryne,

your words has really made me happy, however the darker blue ones ( only 2 among 4) keep changing their colors, I've thought at the beginning its something related to fear, stress but it never comes to my mind its a sign of illness, however i attached few closer pictures to them.
what do you think the best to be done, pull out the Pigeon blood and red melon out of the tank ? as both of them are a bit bigger size about 1.5 inch than the rest.

best regards,
Hi there, tbh i'm hoping others will chime in here since i'm not that experienced with illness in discusautolinker.com autolinking image... But I honestly don't see signs of illness in your fish. They are likely turning dark when they're stressed and colour up again when they calm down.
I will recommend though, that you add taller driftwood and tall plants and grasses to break up the tank and give your fish an area to feel safe. Adding small dither fish is also important IMO to give discusautolinker.com autolinking image a sense of security. A school of Cardinal tetras, and rummy nose tetras (6 or more) are a couple I know of that can stand higher temps of 29-30 degrees. Just quarantine them because i've had Ich problems with introducing those fish. Even though my discus didn't get ich I still had to treat
the whole tank:(. You may need to rehome your angels to make room for the school of smaller fish.
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