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After some extensive research (Googling) I have found the culprit to my tree Corals issues. I dumped ice cold RO/DI water on his side of the tank. I always see the substrate move slightly no matter how slowly I pour in the 5 gallon bucket, but I guess they are not a fan of freshautolinker.com autolinking image water. So...There you have it. Still not gonna mess with him for a while, but I think its all gonna be okay. Anyone have an opinion on my Cleaner Wrasse? Think the Eel got him?
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If you drip into the sump slowly that would have been OK. No idea cleaner wrasse and eel, never have both at same time.

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I don't think your eeel got him, possibly just a random death. I've never been able to keep those things.
As far as the RO water thing, I use a python and I pump my RO water right from the garage into the tank, have 2 corals right in the blast area, one is a Colt coral, doesn't seem to bother either one.

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If you drip into the sump slowly that would have been OK. No idea cleaner wrasse and eel, never have both at same time.
I do not have a sump...Yet. It's a long story. Ha ha.
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I don't think your eeel got him, possibly just a random death. I've never been able to keep those things.
As far as the RO water thing, I use a python and I pump my RO water right from the garage into the tank, have 2 corals right in the blast area, one is a Colt coral, doesn't seem to bother either one.
Madness, (as you may know) if I were to run a python or tube of water from my garage to my house.....I would never get water into the tank. It would freeze. Ha ha. But if you don't think that bothered it. then I have to go back to all the other options. I also wonder if the vodka/Seaklear may be too much for the Wrasses? I've had a Fire Fish for quite some time now and he has went through doses of Vodka, Seaklear, & Purple up. So....Who knows? Oh well.
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The dosing does not bother the fish, the high Nitrates do though.
If you were to keep a heater and a powerhead in your tub of RO water, it would not freeze.

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Madness, (as you may know) if I were to run a python or tube of water from my garage to my house.....I would never get water into the tank. It would freeze. Ha ha. But if you don't think that bothered it. then I have to go back to all the other options. I also wonder if the vodka/Seaklear may be too much for the Wrasses? I've had a Fire Fish for quite some time now and he has went through doses of Vodka, Seaklear, & Purple up. So....Who knows? Oh well.
Dosing works only when you are removing nitrate with the help of phosphate. If you remove phosphate independently by GFO (better) or Lanthanum chloride (Seaclear) you may need to monitor carefully the residual phosphate to ensure nitrate reductase has enough of it as a food when consume nitrate, otherwise your accumulated alcohol will bite you back sooner of later.
Lanthanum chloride in a few ppm excess will kill fish but highly unlikely to occur in sea water because of the high pH. For this, GFO or other fixed lanthanum products are safer for your tank.

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There is aboslutely nothing going to happen in his tank due to dosing. I've been dosing for years. As long as your using a skimmer to remove the excess, you are not going to have any issues with either product. The idea of using this type of either is so that you can keep the levels exactly where you want them, you dose whats needed to maintain those levels, you don't just throw the stuff in the tank, and say ok, do your work.
Plus, in order to over dose either on, you'd need to dump both bottles into the tank, and then you could still do large water changes to right this issue very quickly.

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http://pravarini.free.fr/WEW-Vol4.pdf
I don't want to bore anyone than necessary in detailed chemistry, which is too much for general public but if you really want to understand what I said, read it. I will get into lanthanum later if interests exist.

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Nice article, has nothing to do with our saltwaterautolinker.com autolinking image tanks I'm afraid. ROFL. As I stated, when used with Protein Skimmers to remove the excess bacterial build up, its prefectly safe to use in the tank. Please try again, and this time, please find an article pertaining to our systems. Thanks.

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ethanol = C = [∆ - NO3] x 0.475 + [O2] x 0.55
phosphorus = P = [∆ - NO3] x 2.26 x 10-3
where [∆ - NO3] = nitrate removal rate (mg/1)

This is as close as I can get.

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Not close enough, where do you see bacterial removal via Skimmer??

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As of this afternoon with some new Corals added, here is my tank and here are my numbers after dosing this morning;

KH= 178
Calcium= 460
PH= 8.2
Nitrates= 0
Phosphates= 0
Salinity= 1.025
Temp= 76'

Didn't have the patience to do a Mag test. But I THINK it looks okay.
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If you don't have any hard corals then Mg is not critical.

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Gonna need to test the Mag with those SPS bro, also gonna need to get that KH up quite a bit. Its way to low.

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How do I get the KH up further?
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Disregard that last question. I confused alk. with mag. How do I adjust the mag?
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Magnesium chloride hexahydrate, also known as Mag Flakes.
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Damn. Them mag tests are a nightmare, but its necessary now. I can't afford to lose my investment at this point.
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Not close enough, where do you see bacterial removal via Skimmer??
You did not get my point yet. Let me do more explanation. I figured your system from your post photos and concluded that there is huge difference between your reef tank and my fish tank:
Lighting: I have little 180W CFL (soon be LED) for display illumination not for photosynthesis. Yours for coral growth and therefore promotes nitrate assimilatory removal by light as a side benefit. Basically nitrate is converted into bio mass photochemically, in a ratio of 1:7:40 (P:N:C), with P as the limiting element. Your Vodka provide C here. This means the skimmer would have to work hard all the time.
Oxygen level: mine is saturated (7 ppm), yours much less (3ppm? I guess), otherwise your corals would have been intoxicated and die. Lower O2 concentration promotes certain bacteria to do dissimilatory nitrate removal by converting to N2 gas and bubbles out, nitrate problem solved as well. At high O2, this process stopped completely (because it is a reduction) and your alcohol will accumulate if dosing continues.
The dissimilatory nitrate removal is much preferred because no need to clean/dump your skimmer wastes. Your only waste is nitrogen gas, you don't see you don't mind.
UV sterilizer: I have one, you don't. UV at certain dose kills certain bacteria that is responsible for nitrate removal.
Last question is why I saturate my tank with O2 and UV? Because they keep HLLE away and help maintaining my fish's color and longevity at nitrate level well over 100ppm!
BTW I have all data to support my claims.

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