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If you are going to have more fish you really need to get a filter for the tank... RULE # 1 keeping fish is not always cheap.... It's like my grandson and step-daughter goes and gets a fish bowl and a bettaautolinker.com autolinking image they add water fish dies and they do it again with same results ( what are they doing wrong )
they aren't doing the joannabanada method.
Serious read this thread. (note especially the first platty)
It is the plants and letting the water age with the plants for a week before adding fish. combined with not doing water changes.

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So updates and follow up questions:

So I've been feeding these guys goldfishautolinker.com autolinking image flakes. (I bought them back when I was given that red minnow I thought was a goldfishautolinker.com autolinking image. I know. I was clueless. Still am, but am working on it!) They devour them like they are going out of style. Anytime anyone pauses in front of the tank they start pacing right under the little opening in the lid. They act like they are STARVING! I'm not sure about the amount of food. Just a little bit, once a day could be a different amount for different people. These guys act like they could eat it all, so I don't know that I can use them as a guide. When someone says "a few flakes" does that mean the big flakes or the tiny ones? One big flake could be like 10 small ones. So I guess: How much is enough? (Taking in consideration there are live plants.)

Also, this is weird: Sometimes their poop doesn't break off. My big girl, Zelda, has like two inches of poop string trailing behind her right this minute. Is that normal? Is that a sign of something weird going on? Is that a result of the Goldfish flakes? And the smaller female is trailing about a 1/2 inch right now. It looks freaky. So, anyone seen/heard of this?

Also, to Beaslbob, esp.: what do you do about cleaning the tank? You didn't recommend a cleaning crew. Does that mean you don't keep one at all? What do you do to tidy up? Do you vacuum gravel? The gravel is starting to look a little raunchy. And the poop is starting to build up in front. Now this is in comparison to the pristine tank I started with. I know it should more closely resemble a lake/pond than a swimming pool, but eventually all this waste is gonna pile up, right? So what is your recommendation, there? (Since I'm following your build.)

Oh, and they love uprooting all the anacharis. Everyday there are a few more strands floating. I'll replant them in the substrate, but they keep digging them up. Is the ferocity with which they attack the plants a sign of how hungry they are? Or are they just little trouble makers?

Anywho, they seem pretty happy, other than their cruising as restlessly as sharks. I just don't want any easily preventable problems to creep up on me. Lemme know what you think!

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So updates and follow up questions:

So I've been feeding these guys goldfishautolinker.com autolinking image flakes. (I bought them back when I was given that red minnow I thought was a goldfishautolinker.com autolinking image. I know. I was clueless. Still am, but am working on it!) They devour them like they are going out of style. Anytime anyone pauses in front of the tank they start pacing right under the little opening in the lid. They act like they are STARVING! I'm not sure about the amount of food. Just a little bit, once a day could be a different amount for different people. These guys act like they could eat it all, so I don't know that I can use them as a guide. When someone says "a few flakes" does that mean the big flakes or the tiny ones? One big flake could be like 10 small ones. So I guess: How much is enough? (Taking in consideration there are live plants.)
the real question is how much is too much. the fish can live for literally weeks with no food being added. But will die in days when too much food is being added. Your tank as it matures will be able to handle more food but during this critical period just literally a single flake per day. the fact they are active, and recognize you as food is an extremely good sign. and normal
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Also, this is weird: Sometimes their poop doesn't break off. My big girl, Zelda, has like two inches of poop string trailing behind her right this minute. Is that normal? Is that a sign of something weird going on? Is that a result of the Goldfish flakes? And the smaller female is trailing about a 1/2 inch right now. It looks freaky. So, anyone seen/heard of this?
normal. Also looks like she is not only healthy but getting plenty of food.
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Also, to Beaslbob, esp.: what do you do about cleaning the tank? You didn't recommend a cleaning crew. Does that mean you don't keep one at all? What do you do to tidy up? Do you vacuum gravel? The gravel is starting to look a little raunchy. And the poop is starting to build up in front. Now this is in comparison to the pristine tank I started with. I know it should more closely resemble a lake/pond than a swimming pool, but eventually all this waste is gonna pile up, right? So what is your recommendation, there? (Since I'm following your build.)
Actually I basically don't clean the tank. But you can just siphon off the top layer of "crud" if you think the tank looks better. But do remember that all that "crud" is breaking down and feeding the plants also.
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Oh, and they love uprooting all the anacharis. Everyday there are a few more strands floating. I'll replant them in the substrate, but they keep digging them up. Is the ferocity with which they attack the plants a sign of how hungry they are? Or are they just little trouble makers?
Yep they're hungry and attacking the algae, snail eggs, small small "bugs" on the plants. After a few months you may not need the anacharis but the replanting is very common maintainence of planted tanks.
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Anywho, they seem pretty happy, other than their cruising as restlessly as sharks. I just don't want any easily preventable problems to creep up on me. Lemme know what you think!
Sound to me like you have an excellent healthy active tank.

What do you thing?

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So I found this really awesome shop nearby, Northside Aquatics. It is really cool. I picked up 3 Red Cherry Shrimp, a clump of Dwarf Hair Grass, and an Anubias; and some Duckweed, some kind of loose moss, and a few snails hitched a ride: Ramshorn, Pond snails, and 2 Malaysian Trumpet Snails. The seemingly very knowledgeable worker said that I shouldn't worry about the snails, that they're good for cleaning up a bit. She says when her snail populations gets a little big she puts some certain type of food tab in the tank at night (forgot what is was called) and in the morning the tab is covered with snails. Then she pulls it out and tosses it. That is enough to keep 'em from taking over the world.
One of the shrimp is carrying eggs. I hope she won't be too stressed with the move to carry them to term.... My daughter named the shrimp: Shrimperella, Sharlie and Apple Jack. The platies are not aggressive toward them at all. I saw one fish swim toward one to check it out, but it did not peck at it at all. The shrimp hi-tailed it and that was it. They seem to ignore them now. And the shrimp come out in the open sometimes, too--don't seem to nervous.
I'm really excited about this. Don't want to jinx myself, but so far, so good. The new additions have been there since Saturday.

Now, I do have some very light green forming on the glass. I'm assuming this is algae. I was keeping the lights on 12+ hours a day, but am down to 12 even. Is that algae? Is there a normal amount of algae? Should I kill the lights for a while? Should I squeegee the glass? (Don't have a squeegee yet, but can purchase.) Will the new snails and/or shrimp help with algae on the glass or will they stick mostly to plants/gravel? If this is the beginnings of a problem I want to nip it ASAP. Thanks, guys!

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Re: 10 gallon tank build

Sounds like algae and your snails and shrimp should help in keeping it in check. I would not turn my lights all-the way off just cut- back to 10 or 8 hours..
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So I found this really awesome shop nearby, Northside Aquatics. It is really cool. I picked up 3 Red Cherry Shrimp, a clump of Dwarf Hair Grass, and an Anubias; and some Duckweed, some kind of loose moss, and a few snails hitched a ride: Ramshorn, Pond snails, and 2 Malaysian Trumpet Snails. The seemingly very knowledgeable worker said that I shouldn't worry about the snails, that they're good for cleaning up a bit. She says when her snail populations gets a little big she puts some certain type of food tab in the tank at night (forgot what is was called) and in the morning the tab is covered with snails. Then she pulls it out and tosses it. That is enough to keep 'em from taking over the world.
One of the shrimp is carrying eggs. I hope she won't be too stressed with the move to carry them to term.... My daughter named the shrimp: Shrimperella, Sharlie and Apple Jack. The platies are not aggressive toward them at all. I saw one fish swim toward one to check it out, but it did not peck at it at all. The shrimp hi-tailed it and that was it. They seem to ignore them now. And the shrimp come out in the open sometimes, too--don't seem to nervous.
I'm really excited about this. Don't want to jinx myself, but so far, so good. The new additions have been there since Saturday.

Now, I do have some very light green forming on the glass. I'm assuming this is algae. I was keeping the lights on 12+ hours a day, but am down to 12 even. Is that algae? Is there a normal amount of algae? Should I kill the lights for a while? Should I squeegee the glass? (Don't have a squeegee yet, but can purchase.) Will the new snails and/or shrimp help with algae on the glass or will they stick mostly to plants/gravel? If this is the beginnings of a problem I want to nip it ASAP. Thanks, guys!
Yep it's algae.

Kill the lights and the algae should die off in a day or two. Then resume with less duration lighting. The idea is to find a spot where the plants grow (longer) but not the algae (shorter (less feeding)).

Sure shoud like you going gang busters now.

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Leiden is a city in Holland ??
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Well, I guess I did jinx myself. Right after my last post about how wonderful life is, I checked the tank and Shrimperella was dead. She was the one with the eggs. :( She was completely intact. No nibbling from the platies, and I had never witnessed any harassment whatsoever. The fish pretty much ignored the shrimp. The other two shrimp are just fine. They swim around, nibble here and there. But Shrimperella spent most of her time hiding. I am wondering if the stress of the move was too much for an expectant mother? (esp. considering the others are active and are not in hiding.) I am gonna finish out the week and if everyone is still ok by Saturday, I may add two more shrimp. They kind of like a few around, don't they? The LFS lady said 3-4 was better than the two I had originally intended....

BTW, how many snails are too many? Those pond snails are prolific to say the least! I just caught two on video doing the dance of love on the front glass. I can easily spot a dozen at any given time, and am guessing they're like roaches: if you see one, there's a hundred. At what point should I start some population control? (I may pick up those food tabs, whatever they are, when I go to the LFS on Saturday--the ones I posted about earlier.) I definitely don't want to add any chemicals, esp. since the shrimp are so delicate. The LFS does carry assassins. That is also a possibility. I know that to a certain extent snails are good, but I don't know at what point they begin to overload a 10G. But I have noticed, since the snail pop. popped, the platies spend a lot of time pecking at the gravel. I'm guessing they're finding the eggs.

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Re: 10 gallon tank build

sorry about shrimp.

Don't worry about snails. There will be only a few after a few months.

and baby fish yet?

(can hardly wait for the kids to jump up and down shouting mommy mommy there's a baby)

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So, as far as the platies go, they seem to be thriving. About the first of August the large female, Zelda, had our first order of fries--about 12. They ate them all, but one, who lasted about two weeks, until I went out of town for the weekend and my husband neglected to feed them. Someone ate the baby....
About a week and a half ago, Zelda and the smaller female, Molly, had "litters" at the same time (Zelda's 2nd since acquiring her), about 20 fries. So far, we are down to about four uneaten. I am hoping a female survives. I think I need another girl to take the pressure of Molly, and my husband does not want to buy another fish. He wants us to raise one ourselves. I'm not sure why, but the male, Derek, escorts the large one, Zelda, around like a chauffeur or a chaperone. Anytime Molly comes near, he darts at her, pecks her and chases her away. It is annoying to watch, and I don't understand why he's behaving that way....

Shrimp: As I reported, the berried female expired a few days after I added her. (I am attributing it to stress.) After about 4 weeks, the other two were still doing well, so I added two more, females I believe, bringing the total to four shrimp (1 m, 3 f). After about three-four weeks more, the male, who was among the original three, croaked. I am beginning to worry. Somewhere I read that if water parameters aren't perfection, Cherries will last about 4-6 weeks, then croak. That little guy made it about seven. So one original has been with us about 10 weeks, and two newer for about 4-6 weeks. Unfortunately, all female. One of them, one of newer ones, was going crazy last night swimming along the edge of the tank, swimming around and around and around. It was following the glass all around almost like it was looking for something. From what I read online, it sounded like mating behavior, but there ain't no boys in there! Any ideas?

I was getting quite a bit of green spot algae on the glass, so I bought two Zebra Nerite snails. They had the tank spotless in one weekend! So much so that I was afraid they would run out of algae to eat, so lights are back on about 12 hours a day again.

For now, I am letting the wisteria go wild. I want to give those four remaining fry a fighting chance and as many hiding spaces as possible. Right now, in addition to wisteria, we've got: anubias, aponageton (sp?), dwarf hair grass, and a tropical fern. There's a amazon sword plant in there somewhere but the wisteria has overgrown it.

As far as the interloper pond and MT snails go, they are not taking over as yet. I really like the additions. After a feeding of the platies, the snails and shrimp gather in the front of the tank and look for leftovers. They are really keeping the gravel and leaves clean. BTW, there is this one snail that resembled a pond snail in shape, but was completely clear, a clear white body and see-thru shell. Now he's clearly outgrown all the pond snails. He's easily triple their size. Nowhere near the zebra nerite size, but way bigger than the pond snails. Is this a different type or just a freakishly large albino?

Anyway, that's the update. Beaslbob build: SUCCESS! I'm not sure if things are perfect for the shrimp. I will post water parameters later. Pictures to follow. Thanks for the guide, Beaslbob!!


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Here's what the tank looked like about June 15th-ish, after it had cycled a week with plants and I had added first Sunburst Wag Platy, Derek.



This is about three weeks ago after a MAJOR wisteria pruning.



This is now. I am afraid that if I trim the wisteria now, the fry will have no place to hide!



Current pop: 3 sunburst wag platies: 2f, 1m
3 Red Cherry Shrimp, female
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pond snails and Malaysian trumpet snails
Wisteria, dwarf hair grass, anubias, tropical fern, amazon sword, and aponageton (sp?)

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Wow

I am impressed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

and glad for your success.

I really do like how much the plants have grown and the fact things are thriving.

I think you will find the platty parents will tire of chasing fry so more and more will survive.

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Ah, thanks! I'm really happy with it. I can watch it forever and find cool new things going on in there. I am beginning to see how addictive this hobby can be.

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To me it is much more addictive when things actually live and you're not constantly "fighting" things so anything can live.

I am particulary impressed with hour quickly that initial platty recovered after adding the anacharis.

By the way. dinner's in the stove.

(so stop watching the tank )
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Good luck on the idea of snails reducing their own numbers naturally. It doesn't happen in a healthy environment and every tank is different. I've had pond snails in my tanks well over a year and the population continues to grow. I have been exploring assasin snails, but haven't gotten any as of yet.



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Good luck on the idea of snails reducing their own numbers naturally. It doesn't happen in a healthy environment and every tank is different. I've had pond snails in my tanks well over a year and the population continues to grow. I have been exploring assasin snails, but haven't gotten any as of yet.
cut your feeding in half!!!!!!
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That could possibly work, but I only feed my fish 4 days a week as it is. Assasin snails will ensure complete eradication.



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