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If someone buys a tank and sets it up I would not advise fish in cycle, but if they have already purchased fish I would advise a good test kit and plenty of water changes. I wouldn't advise bacteria in a bottle to cycle as that is an iffy solution.

But I don't think a person will be banned for fish in cycle unless it was done with the intention of hurting the fish purposely. There are some people that way in the world. Not much different than breeding and raising fish just to fight. It's a cruel hobby there.
First, I don't think many people will buy a tank and equip it and then buy fish for the purpose of just "hurting" fish. That seems a little extreme to me. Further my point is that many people (experienced people) have done fish in cycling for years using water changes, closely monitoring chemistry and stocking slowly with success. I am not new to fish keeping (71 yrs old) and I think many comments on the forum seem to be a little arrogant and my way or the highway type comments. Point is let's not imply that someone who is doing fish in cycling doesn't care about the fish he is caring for. Maybe I just need to move on.
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I don't think many people intend to hurt fish,but when someone says they don't need to test their water because the petco/petsmart person told him so,a correction is needed.These are some of the same people who buy tanks,equipment and fish all in one trip and later find out how little they understood.Many offer help for people who choose to cycle fish in,or end up in this position.But when a newb refuses to even try any advice,or acknowledge the possibility they were misled or are uniformed and then continues to defend a "salesperson" well that is harming an animal.Is it pride or ignorance?Nobody beats up members who cycle fish in if they do it correctly;test your water and change when necessary.But the complete refusal to even test(these have been how the last few "cycling threads" have gone),is something any seasoned keeper should be concerned with,whether your old school or new.I've cycled both ways,in the old days fishless cycling consisted of feeding" invisable"fish for a month,and that is how I have started every saltwaterautolinker.com autolinking image tank I started from new.
It seems unfortunate there is such a divide amongst people with such similiar interest.This may be only my veiw but it really seems those who can't grow with the hobby don't last long in it.It only seems easy after you have experience and knowledge,and in this age sharing experience is a good thing.Like I said in the cycling forum to the member who came and left in under 2 weeks,advice forums like this are just like getting everybodies opinion.You don't have to agree or appreciate them,BUT if you can't take what is good and leave what is not,then it is more a personal statement then one of the group.This is a good group of caring keepers,and I don't see it anyother way!



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Coralbandit I appreciate your opinions and I am not saying that this isn't a great forum with people sincerely trying to help one another. I think I know the person you are referring to, but he was just one person. I am referring to a few posters who can come across as accusing people of abuse if they don't do things their way or act as though someone who doesn't do it their way are somehow ignorant. It seems this cycling subject inflames some if it isn't done fishless. I stated only that you can and I have done it both ways successfully and never felt I was abusing fish either way. I also stated how I would recommend doing fish in cycling. Water changes, careful monitoring of chemistry and slowly building up your stocking. Again we can move on. I only was expressing my opinion and I respect those who have theirs . I would only hope we could stay away from words such as cruelty, abuse and ignorant because that may not be the case at all. Sorry for the rant.
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No argument here and only my opinion,but I think there are many kinds of people with aquariums;the first 2 kinds of people are those who just have fish and don't really have much interest or knowledge about them,and people who are new and willing to learn.The next 2 are "fish keepers";those who keep fish and do it right(there are multiple ways),and "fish keepers" who are passionate about the care and raising of fish.We are fortunate to have a great mix of all.Unfortunately they mix like oil and water,and often the message is missed in how it is phrased.Cruelty and ignorance are not what anyone wants to hear in a reply to request for help,BUT if the members who ASK for input refuse to even acknowledge the experience ,effort and time other members offer and want to claim that we are nazis(I've been called a nazi for some of my replies!),arrogant or demanding I loose respect for such posters.One must remember in this day and age that neglect is considered abuse/cruelty.
The cycling opinions are strong,and most do recommend the fishless cycle to protect the fish and hopefully educate the future keeper.The heated (sometimes name calling) debates only arise when those who choose to cycle fish in refuse to test their water and change it as we know is needed,and that to me is cruelty to fish.You even said yourself that is how to cycle fish in,so you got to understand when our passionate members read these sort of post over and over again the frustration,and even anger it generates.There have been many threads from people who it really appears in short time make it clear they don't care enough to be good contributing members(or good fishkeepers).It is even usaully pretty clear they are just attention seeking and continue to "stir the pot" until they're bored,and finally leave.I really don't feel bad for any of them in respect to how this site treats them.I do feel bad for them though,they missing more than fishkeeping skills.Just my opinion though!



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First, I don't think many people will buy a tank and equip it and then buy fish for the purpose of just "hurting" fish. That seems a little extreme to me. Further my point is that many people (experienced people) have done fish in cycling for years using water changes, closely monitoring chemistry and stocking slowly with success. I am not new to fish keeping (71 yrs old) and I think many comments on the forum seem to be a little arrogant and my way or the highway type comments. Point is let's not imply that someone who is doing fish in cycling doesn't care about the fish he is caring for. Maybe I just need to move on.
If you re read my statement, I didn't say many people do it with the intentions of hurting the fish but said that there are some that do. Just as there are people that abuses dogs and cats just for the enjoyment it gives them.

No one says that there way is the way it has to be done. Being the internet it is hard for just words to convey the feeling behind the post. Many times my posts may come out wrong and do have to explain what I meant. I do come off harsh a lot of times and lot of times it is intentional but that is the way I have always been, its a learned trait when managing a bunch of people where half don't want to listen or learn.

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These are all big problems. But the disappearance of entire species is also a problem. I had the dream. Have ordered from very far killifish species. I wanted to distribute it here. It should again be like the past. But trade is not played with. It was no longer the dealer, whom I knew, a company special. The man in the shop was not authorized to make the price. The boss was sitting far away. The Nothobranchius that are only a 3/4 years old, standing at € 8 and died at the store. Even animal cruelty. For a large company that is not a loss. Since it makes the dog food a bit more expensive, and it is balanced.
I felt like Don Quixote. I listen to the Beatles: "Do not carry the world upon your shoulders, let it be."

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These are all big problems. But the disappearance of entire species is also a problem. I had the dream. Have ordered from very far killifish species. I wanted to distribute it here. It should again be like the past. But trade is not played with. It was no longer the dealer, whom I knew, a company special. The man in the shop was not authorized to make the price. The boss was sitting far away. The Nothobranchius that are only a 3/4 years old, standing at 8 and died at the store. Even animal cruelty. For a large company that is not a loss. Since it makes the dog food a bit more expensive, and it is balanced.
I felt like Don Quixote. I listen to the Beatles: "Do not carry the world upon your shoulders, let it be."
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I've read a lot of posts about cycling a tank. I've laughed at a lot of them too. I even told a friend of mine some of these people are completely crazy. The reason why is because some people come off as saying do it my way or get out of fish. I've been in the aquarium hobby off and on since the early to mid '80s. I'm not neglectful of my care. I mentioned someone peeing in their tank to get the cycle going and was immediately shot down. I was basically put to a torture device on here. I don't do fish in cycling because I don't have the time to change water, and test 2x a day. I have 2 young children. So I do fish less for safety, and to teach my almost 3 yr old not to bang on the tank. I also have the tank in his room for a kind of night light. I have always done my research (after the first 2 tanks) on the fish I was going to keep. I usually throw a shrimp in the tank(the kind you eat not a live one). I don't use harsh chemicals because of my children also because I can't stand them. So when I have people telling me to use a harsh chemical I usually start blasting back, and flat out ignore them. Yes some people come on forums for help and then ignore the help that was given. I ask questions, then read the responses, and decide for myself which one is a better solution for me. It's the way some people come across that can cause them to be ignored. If a person comes across as a Nazi do it my way I generally ignore them. Also fish in an aquarium are for enjoyment not to be thought of as a quick money scheme. If my fish breed ok. If not ok. As long as everyone is happy and healthy I'm happy.
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I agree with the Forum statement.

I flip fish all the time as a vent for quality animals. I have anywhere from 20-30 tanks and ponds running at all times and another 100 + tanks ready to go. I have the equipment to run a moderate size pet store so there is not over crowding or anything else harmful. My motto: Sell the best feed off the rest.
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