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Literally 3 minutes ago, walking by my tank, I see that EVERYTHING IS PINK. Everything is covered in pink flakes. My son dumped the entire can of fish flakes into our 10G freshwater planted tank. AAAAHHHH!!!!! I have no idea what to do.

I am doing the "beaslbob build," i.e., no external filter--plants are the filter. This is a heavily planted tank with a substrate of peat moss, sand and gravel.

I have no prepared water. If i go out an buy aquarium water... what do i do? Drop the fish (platys and fry) shrimp (4 cherry red shrimp) and snails (2 zebra nerites) into the jug of water while I clean the tank????
Then what how do I clean the tank. I don't even own a vacuum. This was a self-sustaining ecosystem (except for the occasional flakes and water top-offs). I let the fish droppings be the fertilizer for the plants. Do I need to vaccuum? or just scoop as much food as possible? Do I empty the tank? What do I do with the plants????

My brain is spinning. Can anyone tell me best course of action? And how much time it will take for the chem levels in the water to get dangerous? I am freaking out.

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Find a hose and syphon as much out as possible, move the fish (with tank water) into a tupperware or two while you drain, clean, and refill the tank.
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Oh my, what a mess... you have to take pics and post it on http://www.****mykidsruined.com/
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Literally 3 minutes ago, walking by my tank, I see that EVERYTHING IS PINK. Everything is covered in pink flakes. My son dumped the entire can of fish flakes into our 10G freshwater planted tank. AAAAHHHH!!!!! I have no idea what to do.

I am doing the "beaslbob build," i.e., no external filter--plants are the filter. This is a heavily planted tank with a substrate of peat moss, sand and gravel.

I have no prepared water. If i go out an buy aquarium water... what do i do? Drop the fish (platys and fry) shrimp (4 cherry red shrimp) and snails (2 zebra nerites) into the jug of water while I clean the tank????
Then what how do I clean the tank. I don't even own a vacuum. This was a self-sustaining ecosystem (except for the occasional flakes and water top-offs). I let the fish droppings be the fertilizer for the plants. Do I need to vaccuum? or just scoop as much food as possible? Do I empty the tank? What do I do with the plants????

My brain is spinning. Can anyone tell me best course of action? And how much time it will take for the chem levels in the water to get dangerous? I am freaking out.

First stop adding food to the tank. It may just heal itself.

second I would take a plastic tube and a container. Drain the water over a filter sucking out as much food as possible. Then return the water to the tank

You might have to do that a couple of times.

Hopefully things will respond and correct itself rapidily. Which is what plants are supposed to do.

If you fish look active and healthy things may not be a bad as it seems.

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LOL, stop adding food...you think?

I would get the net and get out as much as I could that way. Any piece of hose can act as a syphon. Just start it and suck up all the food you can and drain into a bucket. Absolutely no reason to add the old water back, in fact if ammonia has started to rise, which is what I would anticipate to be the first thing to happen, you'll want fresh water anyway. There is very little that is benficial in water even in an established planted aquarium.

If you don't get the stuff out it will remain on the bottom and start to rot. Leaving it is not a good option unless it was the smallest container that they sell and you were almost done with it. The tank will probably cloud up. Ammonia will come shortly after. Do you have any kind of testing supplies?
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Thanks so much, guys! I was able to siphon into a bucket w/ a fine tea towel over it. Filtered the water nicely. Might should have gone w/ fresh water while I was at it, (as we are in the midst of an algae bloom), but I did not have any water prepared and can't really go out today.
The siphon did act as a vacuum, which was really cool. Think i got 95% of the food. If I ever need to vacuum the gravel again, I can just siphon and filter instead!
I refilled with the old water which stirred up the sand a bit so it's pretty clouded right now. When that settles I will put the rocks back. I am wondering with regard to to the algae bloom if I can/should just leave the lights out for a week and don't feed, esp. considering there's still a bit of food there. I'm just wondering how long is too long w/ the lights out for the plants. Tank is about 14 feet from a window. This may be a topic for another thread....
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Most low light plants can survive quite a while with no light. Others can be less tolerant. If the algae is really bad, a blackout may become necessary.

What preparation do you do to your water?
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Glad you were able to get the majority of it out.

And yea....don't feed for a while...good plan ;)
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Thanks so much, guys! I was able to siphon into a bucket w/ a fine tea towel over it. Filtered the water nicely. Might should have gone w/ fresh water while I was at it, (as we are in the midst of an algae bloom), but I did not have any water prepared and can't really go out today.
The siphon did act as a vacuum, which was really cool. Think i got 95% of the food. If I ever need to vacuum the gravel again, I can just siphon and filter instead!
I refilled with the old water which stirred up the sand a bit so it's pretty clouded right now. When that settles I will put the rocks back. I am wondering with regard to to the algae bloom if I can/should just leave the lights out for a week and don't feed, esp. considering there's still a bit of food there. I'm just wondering how long is too long w/ the lights out for the plants. Tank is about 14 feet from a window. This may be a topic for another thread....

10 gallons isn't much. I would be off to a hardware store for a 5 gallon bucket for making a space for change water. If you got most all the dry flakes out - you have about 1/2 the food out of the water. There is lots of nutrition left behind. Fill the bucket with tap water about the same temperature as the tank, treat it for Chlorine and be ready to change 1/2 the water in the tank tomorrow.

Big thing is not to kill the bacteria which live in the gravel, on the glass and all the plants in the tank with excess nutrition and Ammonia. Tomorrow syphon 1/2 the water out of the tank and get as much of the solid flakes, etc. out as possible. Refill the tank with your clean treated temperature correct water. Another couple of days of that will get things stable again.

If you have algae bloom problems, maybe a little more plants and less light.

Changing the water every 5 to 7 days will stop that.

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If you have algae bloom problems, maybe a little more plants and less light.

Changing the water every 5 to 7 days will stop that.
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Since you seem to perform Bob's methods down to the no filtration, curious if you could test your ph?

I'd be interested in the ph of your:

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2 - tank ph when you started your tank
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Most low light plants can survive quite a while with no light. Others can be less tolerant. If the algae is really bad, a blackout may become necessary.

What preparation do you do to your water?
By prepare I meant letting it sit for 24 hours to dechlorinate. It was Xmas eve so I couldn't really run to the store.

For the next three days I did 50% water changes (tap water that had sat for 24 hours), but the snails and shrimp all hung out at the top, and the water smelled bad. I then attached the filter (had never used it as was using the "beaslbob build") and w/in minutes/hours (?) the snails went back down into the water. (Wish I had done that sooner!) Sadly, the shrimp did not make it that far.

I changed the filter w/in a few days because the water had been so foul. The next filter I changed after another week. Now I'm on the third filter which I will keep to the end of the month, but I only run it for a couple hours after chow time. The ammonia was very high. The color wheel was on "toxic" shade. So I put some ammonia rocks in a bag in the filter compartment. The ammonia levels went down immediately, and now are at <0.02.

All the fish and snails seem to be back to business as usual, now.

I had remove all the wisteria as it went "slimy" and seemed to rot. Yes, it was bad in there. I bought a few new plants and rearranged. I have a pretty well planted 10G: (dwarf hair grass, 2 annubias, red lilly, 5 baby clumps of tropical fern, mint charlie, aponogeton ulvaceus, aponogeton proliferous, and something else aponogeton-looking, and java moss) but that darn algae is still persistent. But I am gathering that maybe I should ease up on the filter changing (not more often than once/month); that the bacteria in the filter help keep algae down? Correct? And I did rinse it in tap water once! Oops.

So, I did a two-day black out after the crisis--no peeking, but the algae did not fully go away and came back in full force.

I am afraid to black out too much because of all the live plants. About 3 months ago, I had been leaving the lights on about 12-14 hours/day. Then I went out of town for the weekend and left an algae wafer for snails and a weekend feeder for the fish. Biggest mistake. Algae bloom ever since. I only have the lights on 2-4 hours/day now, and it's been that way for the last 3 months, since before the fish flake disaster, in an attempt to combat this algae. But this new red lily does not like the 2-4 hours of light. I need to fix the problem so my tropical fish and my plants can get the 6-9 hours/day light they want.

So should I keep lights out and absolutely no feeding until algae gone? Lights are two 10w CFLs. There is a lamp about 6 feet away and another one about 12 feet away that also have 10w CFLs; and a window facing SSW about 14 feet away. So even with tank off, there is some indirect light. Will killing the lights, but having a lamp on 6 feet away defeat the purpose?

My PH is good. In the 7-8 range. Hard to tell precisely on those color wheels. I don't know what it is in my tap water before adding it to the tank. I wasn't monitoring levels before this disaster as everyone seemed so happy. When I did buy an indicator after the crisis, PH was really high, maxed out on the color wheel, but I had just put in 5 large snail shells with the new plants as hiding places for fry and a calcium source for the snails. So I removed all but one and the readings went down right away and are in the 7-8 range now.

When the plants flesh out and I get a handle on the algae, I want to try again with the shrimp, but I want to make sure things are good before I add anything else.
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Kill the light and stop feeding until the algae dies off.

Then resume with 1/2 duration lighting and 1/2 feeding and adjust until the plants live but not the algae.

(justa a reminder. sometimes you have to do 2 or 3 blackouts to "train the stupid tank")


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Can you take pics of the algae or do you know what type it is? Every tank has algae. Killing the lights until the algae dies off will not work in every case. BBA algae for instance, is affected very little by the light being out and will still be there after a total blackout. If you take a pic and post it, maybe a better rec can be given.
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The water is green. No problems with algae on anything. Had green spot algae on the glass, but my zebra nerites took care of that in a weekend. Do you need a pic of the green water?
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Green water isn't just lights out. You need a total blackout by covering the tank and letting NO light in for 4-5 days.
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Green water isn't just lights out. You need a total blackout by covering the tank and letting NO light in for 4-5 days.
Will this harm my plants, esp. the red lilly?
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green water will clear up very quickly and the plants will survive on their stored up energy then recover.


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Healthy plants will survive a several day blackout just fine. Don't peek during the blackout, and run an airstone if you have the option. The dying (and rotting) algae will consume oxygen. Also, green water implies the presence of ammonia.

Edit: As one more note, letting water sit for 24 hours is just great if your local municipality uses chlorine. If however they use chloramine it isn't going to do anything, and you really do need a dechlor chemical. Given how many areas use chloramine, you really should call your local water company or check their web page for a water quality report. So long as you call the right people they are required to give you the information.
My ammonia levels are at >0.02.
I have checked with my water company. No chloramine, chlorine only.

I figured the green plants would be A-OK. It's just this red lilly that is not too happy on the 2-4 hours/day she was already getting. I am afraid of what I will find when i remove the cover in 4-5 days. Anywho, I covered it today. So Thurs/Fri I will have an update. It's sad, I've gotten kind of used to the green, but just saw pictures of a while back and it was SO CLEAR! I really hate this greeen!!
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My ammonia levels are at >0.02.
I have checked with my water company. No chloramine, chlorine only.

I figured the green plants would be A-OK. It's just this red lilly that is not too happy on the 2-4 hours/day she was already getting. I am afraid of what I will find when i remove the cover in 4-5 days. Anywho, I covered it today. So Thurs/Fri I will have an update. It's sad, I've gotten kind of used to the green, but just saw pictures of a while back and it was SO CLEAR! I really hate this greeen!!
report back in a few days.

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