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Well, my panda platy has just succumbed to what appeared to be the same disease that my red platy died from... She was the fourth platy to die in the past two months. I don't know what I'm doing wrong...

She had started to show obvious signs of parasite infestation; stringy, white feces and scratching against decorations. Our other platy started doing it, too, and we treated with API General Cure. Didn't work. After clearing the water out for a few days, we tried using a Jungle Parasite Clear tab. THAT didn't work. Then someone suggested garlic, and I started feeding them freeze-dried bloodworms soaked in garlic juice. This seemed to cure the sunset fire platy, but didn't do anything for the panda. Fact was that she didn't like the worms that much, and around that time she stopped eating even flakes. We ordered special garlic flakes and started feeding them last week... she STILL wouldn't eat, and her gills started pumping harder. Yesterday we repeated a dose of Jungle Parasite Clear.

This morning, my poor platy was dead...

I don't know what to do. The water conditions are fine, pH is fine, the plants are healthy, they get plenty of light but not too much, I don't overfeed or underfeed... What's going on?! Is there some death curse on my tank that kills every fish I put into it?

I'm going to buy two more fish on Tuesday, because I don't want Marigold to feel lonely... But if THEY die, too, then I might just not get any more and take down my aquarium... Except for the betta, I obviously can't keep any fish healthy... ;_;
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NO!!! Don't go out of the hobby! I'll try to find out what it is.
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Thanks for caring! Though I don't know if either of us could find out what it is... I've looked and looked, and the only parasite I can find that wouldn't be treated by those medications is ich... But she never had any white spots. I've read that it can breed in the gills and remain unseen, but she was sick for so long that it's hard to believe she wouldn't have SOME spots... And like I said, Marigold is just fine. I dunno...

I don't think I'll go out of the hobby, I'm just really upset right now! Sorry for sounding so dramatic, but it makes me feel like I've done something wrong. Your comment made me feel better, though, so thanks!
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All I could find is ich, which says they scratch on decorations. Did the platy have white spots?
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Could it have been that? I'm sorry MissPieces... I know how you feel... I lost all my fish in my ten gallon when moving them to a 20H Gallon... Now I bought a fish with ICH and I might have transferred it to my Betta tank by accident. ;_;

This is more problems that I've had in all my years of fishkeeping.... >.<

I guess we're just in the bad luck boat... :c
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In the last year or so I have had my time with parasites. I have learned over time that although white poop may be a sign of parasites, it doesn't mean the fish has parasites. Just a theory. I have fish that showed those signs a time or two, but never saw anything else and the diet has remained the same. They still live a year later and very healthy.

I understand how you feel. I think I have lost a lot of my fish to Dropsy vs parasites. All I can say is that your fish just may be coming with something already. Change the place you get your fish. Stay away from tanks that have dead fish in them, although they constantly pull dead fish out of them. I just stopped buying fish for the most part and haven't had a problem since, but I know that may not be an option for you.

If it is a very small tank, like <10g, maybe they just aren't suited for tanks like that. Stress is what causes nearly all fish problems.
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All I could find is ich, which says they scratch on decorations. Did the platy have white spots?
No white spots at all, and the other fish seems fine. I had been thinking of ich, too, though maybe it stayed in her gills? I'm completely stumped.
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Could it have been that? I'm sorry MissPieces... I know how you feel... I lost all my fish in my ten gallon when moving them to a 20H Gallon... Now I bought a fish with ICH and I might have transferred it to my Betta tank by accident. ;_;

This is more problems that I've had in all my years of fishkeeping.... >.<

I guess we're just in the bad luck boat... :c
I'm sorry about that! It seems that this has been a bad time for both of us... Maybe the stars are in misalignment or something? lol The planets might be in perfect alignment for fish parasites to occur or something.

I hope your fish gets better, and that your betta doesn't come down with it!

As for the flukes, I had thought of that. But two different parasite treatments plus garlic didn't do anything... Maybe they were just particularly resistant?
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In the last year or so I have had my time with parasites. I have learned over time that although white poop may be a sign of parasites, it doesn't mean the fish has parasites. Just a theory. I have fish that showed those signs a time or two, but never saw anything else and the diet has remained the same. They still live a year later and very healthy.

I understand how you feel. I think I have lost a lot of my fish to Dropsy vs parasites. All I can say is that your fish just may be coming with something already. Change the place you get your fish. Stay away from tanks that have dead fish in them, although they constantly pull dead fish out of them. I just stopped buying fish for the most part and haven't had a problem since, but I know that may not be an option for you.

If it is a very small tank, like <10g, maybe they just aren't suited for tanks like that. Stress is what causes nearly all fish problems.
I couldn't think of anything else that would cause her to scratch against decorations, though maybe it was something else. She had mostly white scales, so maybe there was some sort of other infection that I couldn't see? I looked her over with a flashlight to look for any ich spots or worms on her gills, but it was still hard to tell...

That's good advice about changing where I get the fish... I think they did come from the store ill, because she had been displaying symptoms since I got her. She would recover for a while and then they would return worse than ever. The fish all seemed healthy in the store, but I'll look elsewhere.

I don't think the tank would be too small. I only had two platies in there. It's 10 gallons, pretty heavily planted (the wisteria started out at about five inches, and now they cover the entire back of the tank!), with a 20-40 gallon filter. Like I said, water conditions are fine (pH is a little high, though not too much).

lol And if I don't buy any fish, I won't have any! Now there's only one platy, Marigold, but I can't keep her in there alone forever.

Oh, I'm going to buy two more fish on Tuesday. I don't think I can set up a quarantine tank, but what about preventative measures such as cautionary medicine? I have a natural ich cure that claims to work well as a preventative measure. Should I just dose the tank when I put the new fish in? I haven't had any trouble with ich in that tank, but maybe it could help keep stress low and prevent them from coming down with something...
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Maybe its the store u buying fish from....
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Maybe its the store u buying fish from....
That's what jrman said, and I'm thinking that, too. I'm going to try getting a couple from another store, so we'll see.
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Try a local store, non-national chain. Find out what day they get their fish (if you don't know already) and try to get them that day.

I used to treat the fish in my QT tank with a few days worth of quick cure and a few treatments of parasite clear before I added them to my tanks. Not sure it helped or not, but I figured it couldn't hurt.
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aww, sorry about your fish Miss! Sounds like it was the fish though, not you. Again, try to find another place to get your fish. If none of the fish in the stores look healthy, you might try ordering them online. I've heard good things about a couple of sites. Maybe try a salt bath for your current fish, just to help build up their immune system.
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Sorry about your streak of bad luck!

I wouldn't add anymore fish until you find out for sure what's going on - don't want to make any fish ill.

Have you tried feeding a medicated food? There are foods that are medicated to help with parasites... although if your fish isn't eating, that may not work.

Don't give up! I ended up loosing all but 1-2 shrimp out of almost 40-50, plus my tank took over 2 months (over 8 weeks) to cycle! We all have our bad times in this hobby, but the good times make it well worth it! I've seen you post some really good tips on the site, and I know you know what you're doing and you really care about your fish - don't give up - it would be a shame.
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I got them at PetCo. Won't be doing that again, probably.
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I used to treat the fish in my QT tank with a few days worth of quick cure and a few treatments of parasite clear before I added them to my tanks. Not sure it helped or not, but I figured it couldn't hurt.
I've been scoping out stores in the area. I live about fifty miles away from all of them, so I want to find one that will be The One, you know?

BTW, nice avatar change. Though I had come to associate Limecat with you! :D
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Thanks for your condolences! I think I'm over being so upset, but I'll miss her... She was a sweet little fish... :(

Not sure if I'll try the salt bath, because I use salt in the aquarium anyway. The remaining fish seems OK, too, but I think I'd try a salt bath if this fiasco occurs again.

Never thought about online ordering, because it's been so HOT here in TX... But with autumn coming on (85-90 degrees of autumn, that is), I might risk it. Thanks for the suggestions!
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Sorry about your streak of bad luck!

I wouldn't add anymore fish until you find out for sure what's going on - don't want to make any fish ill.

Have you tried feeding a medicated food? There are foods that are medicated to help with parasites... although if your fish isn't eating, that may not work.

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Oh, that must have been awful! :( That's a lot of shrimp to lose... And I can't imagine two months of cycling... That would have me on edge all the time!

I did order garlic flakes. Actually, soaking freeze-dried bloodworms in garlic like susankat suggested seemed to cure the remaining fish, Marigold. She had been scratching and having stringy BMs, but after a couple of days of the garlic she was fine and remains fine even now!

I think I will hold off on getting new fish, like you said. I want to research smaller fish stores, so that should give Marigold time to show any symptoms if she's going to show them.

Hehe, and I didn't really think I was that knowledgeable on the subject, but thank you for saying so! :D I hope I know what I'm doing, but I do certainly care about my fish. Thanks for the encouragement!
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BTW, nice avatar change. Though I had come to associate Limecat with you! :D
I'm actually changing from my usual local store... I've been a customer for years and never seen a sick fish from them. Weird thing is me and my partner noticed a lot more sick fish this visit. So I'm changing to a store that's a lot further away until I see improvement... I think it's worth it...
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