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New 65 gal marine set up coming. I will need HELP!!! (long)

OK, I have been out of the marine hobby for a number of years. Back in the 80's I had a beautiful 100 gal reef tank in the living room. It was primitive by today's standards, DIY wet dry filtration, glued in glass corner overflow, DIY florescent reef lighting, etc. Back in the good old days we were buying live rock by the styro out of Key Largo for about $0.50 a pound! I still have probably 100 lbs of this stuff to use as base rock. We used to use very fine silica sand as a substrate, and there was no such thing as a refugium.

I'm jumping back in with a 65 gal tank with the cornerflow skimmer that I picked up on CL.



I really like this sized tank, only 3' long, but 18" wide for better reef scaping. It is a little tall (25"), so good lighting will be essential if I go reef. I have a large Amiracle wet/dry filter and pump kicking around the basement, a heater and the tank came with a Gamma UV which I may or may not use.



Here are the first of my many questions:

1) The tank didn't come with the glass covers. My first instinct is to get some right away, but I see reef tanks that appear to be running without them. Covers, yes or no?

2) Here's a biggie. My fish list includes clownfish, royal gramma, wrasses, PJ cardinals, anemones and some soft corals, and at least one angel. I would like a flame angel and if I can find a blue-ring angel that would be the brass ring. Are they all compatible with inverts. I know that I'm out of luck on my love of clown triggers.

3) Lighting. I don't have the room or funds for a chiller so I think the new fangled LED lighting may be better than T5 HO florescents? I found an LED fixture with 2400 lumens, but I don't know how that compares with other lighting types.

4) I have leads for bulk head fittings on line but I can't find those bendable PVC return fittings that you can aim anywhere in the tank. THe overflow has two holes drilled. One for drain, the other for return.



5) Any other equipment choices you feel are vital or at least extremely valuable? Canister filter? Protein skimmer? Refugium, what ever that is? Remember, everything has to fit inside a 36"x18" cabinet, I don't like anything hanging on the back. Thanks in advance!


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Re: New 65 gal marine set up coming. I will need HELP!!! (long)

#1-Dry Rock, there are a few hitchhikers on Live Rock that people want to stay away from, so they opt for using Dry Rock, or Dead Rock. Macro Rock is a good place to start looking for that. Either way you go you will need a minimum of 1lb per gallon. You can use Fully Cured Live Rock, and have the tank cycled in just a few days also. Other way is to use just a couple of pounds of Live Rock and the rest Macro or Dry Rock.

#2-Replacement filter media like filter floss and activated carbon (if you get a filter) Which is really not necessary.

#3-Multiple Power heads (2 or 3) 10x your water volume for just a Fish Only With Live Rock, and at least 20x your water volume for a Reef Tank. So lets say your going reef, and you have a 100g tank, you would need flow in that tank at minimum of 2000gph, or 2 1000gph power heads.

#4-Protein Skimmer, rated at 2 times your water volume. Unless your tank is under 30g, in which case you can do 10% water changes a week to rid the system of detrius. But, you'll have to watch the water parameters close, if things go haywire, you'll have to do more water changes.

#5-Saltwater Test Kits. Reef Test Kit. Test for Ammonia, Nitrites, Nitrates, PH, Phosphates, Calcium, ALK and Magnesium.

#6-Saltwater fish food. Mysis Shrimp, Squid, Cyclopease, Algae Sheets, Romaine . Flake food is not really a good food to feed your marine fish.

#7-Aquarium vacuum. This one is iffy. Most don't use one, if you have enough flow in the tank you won’t need one

#8-Rubber kitchen gloves

#9-Fish net

#10-Two, clean, never used before, 5-gallon buckets

#11-Aquarium thermometer, digital being the best.

#12-Brush with plastic bristles (old tooth brush) - needed for cleaning the live rock if you don't get Fully Cured Live Rock.

#13-Power Strip, possibly GFCI outlets by the tank.

#14-Optional but definitely recommend getting a Reverse Osmosis or RO/Deionization filter for the make-up water, and a barrel for storing the water.

#15-Possibly a Quarantine Tank for your new fish. They sit in here for a few weeks to kill off parasites and bacteria, to keep it from getting in your main tank

#16-Heater rated for your size tank.

#17-Saltwater Mix. Marine Salt. Instant Ocean is the cheap Salt that beginners and Advanced use alike.

#18-Saltwater Hydrometer or even better a Refractometer, which is more accurate. There is also a Digital Meter that is way advanced if you have the cash.

#19-Aquarium filter (not absolutely necessary if running with adequate amounts of live rock, but nice to have if you need to use a mechanical filter or activated carbon, or GFO and such)

#20-Aquarium substrate such as live sand or crushed coral. Some go bare Bottom, others choose the 2-3" bottom, others, more advanced will try the Deep Sand Bed, which is over 6" deep.

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Re: New 65 gal marine set up coming. I will need HELP!!! (long)

Answers to your questions:
#1- No need for lids. I don't use em, never did. Better for gas exchange
#2- Info needed to answer this one. Are you aware that Angels are not Reef safe? Your Blue Ring Angel is out of the question, it needs a much much bigger tank. The Wrasse would be ok also, providing your getting Reef safe ones.
#3- I don't like the unit you rlooking at, sounds just like a Double Bright LED unit, which is not a good unit for a Reef. If you plan on keeping an Anemone your lighting will need to be much stronger than that unit. Perhaps a 4-6 lamp T-5 Unit would be better, the Reef LEDs are gonna cost you. When looking for those, stay away fromthe 1w LED units, look for the 3w LED units.
#4- Fittings you are seeking, Loc Line perhaps?- Loc-Line - Bulk Reef Supply

Advice- Ditch the bio balls, keep the Sump, use it as a Fuge. Throw your skimmer in there and fill the large chamber with Cheato. This will keep your water parameters much better.
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Re: New 65 gal marine set up coming. I will need HELP!!! (long)

Thanks for the answers and links RM! It's amazing how far the hobby has come in the last decade. A couple more questions for you. You mention dry rock. I guess I can use the 100 lbs. of old rock from my prior reef right?

Second, how do you keep down evaporation with no covers? The indoor humidity here this time of year runs in the 20% range. You can almost hear the water being sucked out of my tanks!

Third, if I'm not running bioballs, am I running some other media in the "dry"section of the sump (we used to use filter pad material but it would eventually clog, thus the invention of biobslls)? If not, the premise of a high oxygen area for bacteria denitrofication is no longer fashionable?

Oh and yes, the lock-line is the stuff I was talking about. Thank you.
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#1- Yup, sure can use that old rock form the old tank, wont' be a problem.
#2- You don't control evaporation in the system. I top off like 4-5 gallons every 3-5 days. I live in AZ, and I know what your talking about hearing the water being sucked outta the tank. =)
#3- No need for any area for bacteria, its all done by the Live Rock once its up and going. What we've established in using filters and bioballs is they become Nitrate Traps over a short period of time, and you can't get those Nitrates under control until you remove that from the system. Now for using other media in place of bioballs, you can use GFO or Chemipure or other phosphate/nitrate remover. I just have a Fuge filled with Macro Algae. (Halameda/Cheato/Caulpera)

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