thanks for posting and this has to be one of the most complete beaslbob build threads ever.

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fw leiden since 1979, fo salt since 1979, mixed reef 55g 2002-2009. Strong emphasis on the tank taking care of itself. Balanced with plant life, no water changes, tap water, no filters in FW. Only dosing calcium, alk, mag in marine reef tanks. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f15/my-...ods-26410.html
recent tanks (till 2009) 7 years- 10g FW leiden 7 yrs, 55g mixed reef 7, 2 yrs, 20g FW leiden, 10 g fw leiden , 29g mixed reef, current tank 55g leiden

No thank you for the advice and giving me the knowledge to set up the tank right. Like I said it was a good month and a half of neglect to the tank besides feeding about every other day or so and only topping of water maybe once every week and a half when I had time and had no deaths or anything really. I was surprised at how much growth I got and especially surprised that I had a baby fish in there. Only issue was some brown allege that I think started happening cause my wife was turning on the light earlier so she wouldn't forget. But know that I got the 2 baby bristle nose plecs they are doing short work of that.
I'm just gonna have to get to a computer to put the pics on the thread. But like I said I do have new pics in my album. :-)

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my 75g build---->http://www.aquariumforum.com/f45/fin...ild-18272.html
75g beasolbob tank peat moss & safe-t-sorb 5congo tetras,2bristle nose plecs, 2 German blue Rams

See damn it I just checked on the tank and I got an ich outbreak. I know its from my plecs that I got from PetSmart. Cause its in both tanks and I had put a plecs in the 5g to clean the Allge in there and that tank has ich too. So I started by raising the temp in both tanks. And tomorrow I plan on picking up some aquarium salt. But is it ok for me to put the salt in the tank since I have live plant or should I use an ich medication?

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my 75g build---->http://www.aquariumforum.com/f45/fin...ild-18272.html
75g beasolbob tank peat moss & safe-t-sorb 5congo tetras,2bristle nose plecs, 2 German blue Rams

IMHO it would be best to just let it ride for awhile. If the fish are still active, feeding and only a few spots it very will could be 1)something else or 2) the fish will recover anyway.

I don't have this problem but suspect the plants themselves make most medications ineffective or at least less effective. Fortunately the plants also provide a very healthy environment for the fish.

keep us updated and perhaps others can help.

my .02

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fw leiden since 1979, fo salt since 1979, mixed reef 55g 2002-2009. Strong emphasis on the tank taking care of itself. Balanced with plant life, no water changes, tap water, no filters in FW. Only dosing calcium, alk, mag in marine reef tanks. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f15/my-...ods-26410.html
recent tanks (till 2009) 7 years- 10g FW leiden 7 yrs, 55g mixed reef 7, 2 yrs, 20g FW leiden, 10 g fw leiden , 29g mixed reef, current tank 55g leiden

So do you think aquarium salt its gonna be a waste

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75g beasolbob tank peat moss & safe-t-sorb 5congo tetras,2bristle nose plecs, 2 German blue Rams

So do you think I should still feed like normal to try and keep there energy up then?

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my 75g build---->http://www.aquariumforum.com/f45/fin...ild-18272.html
75g beasolbob tank peat moss & safe-t-sorb 5congo tetras,2bristle nose plecs, 2 German blue Rams

I does seem to be very effective with mollys and the white conttony fungus they get.

can't say about anything else.

Perhaps others can

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fw leiden since 1979, fo salt since 1979, mixed reef 55g 2002-2009. Strong emphasis on the tank taking care of itself. Balanced with plant life, no water changes, tap water, no filters in FW. Only dosing calcium, alk, mag in marine reef tanks. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f15/my-...ods-26410.html
recent tanks (till 2009) 7 years- 10g FW leiden 7 yrs, 55g mixed reef 7, 2 yrs, 20g FW leiden, 10 g fw leiden , 29g mixed reef, current tank 55g leiden

I feed only small amounts once per day. If you're doing more then that cut back to that level.

my concern is that it could be too much food is helping create the ich.

again how bad is the ich and are the fish being affected?

If it is just a few specks and the fish are active and feeding doing less is best IMHO.

my .02

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fw leiden since 1979, fo salt since 1979, mixed reef 55g 2002-2009. Strong emphasis on the tank taking care of itself. Balanced with plant life, no water changes, tap water, no filters in FW. Only dosing calcium, alk, mag in marine reef tanks. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f15/my-...ods-26410.html
recent tanks (till 2009) 7 years- 10g FW leiden 7 yrs, 55g mixed reef 7, 2 yrs, 20g FW leiden, 10 g fw leiden , 29g mixed reef, current tank 55g leiden

Well I lost all 3 cherry barbs in the 5 gallon and lost all 7 rummy nose in the 75g. I upped the temp in both but in the 75 since I don't have any type of flow the center of the tank is hotter then both end of the tank. I also have been using paraguard but again with no flow I see it just flaring around in the center of tank so I take my Alage scraper to kinda mix it up in the tank. My condos are all fine but still have a lot of spots and my plecs have less spots. Luckily my baby Congo is doing good to but now I got like a hazy cloudy look in the tank. So I have stopped using the lights since last night and stopped the feeding.

Now I just don't know what to do about the empty 5g. I'm thinking about breaking it down and using my left over peat moss and safe-T-sorb from the 75g and re planting that. But just not sure if I would use that as a qt tank I shouldn't have it planted right? Or just leave it empty with just no gravel and the 2 rocks

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my 75g build---->http://www.aquariumforum.com/f45/fin...ild-18272.html
75g beasolbob tank peat moss & safe-t-sorb 5congo tetras,2bristle nose plecs, 2 German blue Rams

Sorry about your losses and hopefully the less lighting and feeding will turn things around.

I would plant the 5g and continue to use it as a QT. That will provide a much better QT environment than unplanted. The down side is the plants will also absorve and medications in the qt.

Keep us posted and hopefully others can help.

my .02

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fw leiden since 1979, fo salt since 1979, mixed reef 55g 2002-2009. Strong emphasis on the tank taking care of itself. Balanced with plant life, no water changes, tap water, no filters in FW. Only dosing calcium, alk, mag in marine reef tanks. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f15/my-...ods-26410.html
recent tanks (till 2009) 7 years- 10g FW leiden 7 yrs, 55g mixed reef 7, 2 yrs, 20g FW leiden, 10 g fw leiden , 29g mixed reef, current tank 55g leiden

You cannot just wait and watch with ich. If you know it is in the tank you need to act or it can wipe out your whole tank. Since you have no water flow, you can dissolve meds/salts in a pitcher of water and then try and evenly distribute throughout your tank. Chances are, it will just fall to the bottom and not remain in the water column anyway. Better yet, have a small powerhead handy for instances where it just makes since to have some type of flow. IMO, pointless to alter your temp although it is one of the most effective ways to rid your tank of ich. If it is only heating up water just around your heater and not the whole tank.

Ya I figured that. That's why I have been using Paragurd. Well today looks like my condos have lost all the ich spots.

On another note has any one heard a product called wonder shells? Its spudded to be a shell that is made of minerals to help oxygenate track and slowly release minerals that help with fish slime cost and other things.I bought a set of normal ones and medicated ones. It says to treat with paragurd 1st then use the medicated shell for a couple Weeks then switch to a regular one.

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my 75g build---->http://www.aquariumforum.com/f45/fin...ild-18272.html
75g beasolbob tank peat moss & safe-t-sorb 5congo tetras,2bristle nose plecs, 2 German blue Rams

Wonder Shell Aquarium Mineral Blocks; Water Conditioner, Ich treatment
Hers a link to the wonder shells.

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my 75g build---->http://www.aquariumforum.com/f45/fin...ild-18272.html
75g beasolbob tank peat moss & safe-t-sorb 5congo tetras,2bristle nose plecs, 2 German blue Rams

Well Lil update. I lost all my anarchisand have been rolling with just the 5 Congo tetras and 2 O'Keeffe for a Lil over a month. I have been using the wonder shells that I asked about and guess it has worked good cause my congos seem to look like they have more color. I also picked up some more fish. Now its tome to really test out this beasolbob build. I bought a pair of German glue rams, a pair of fancy guess, and then a batch off feeder guppies in hope of getting a few female guppies to breeder and have a source of live food for the rams.
I think I have a a male & female pair but not to sure. I will ***** up pics tomorrow once they have settled in. but I have one that the 3rd dorsal fine is longer then the others and the other ram seem to be even all the way across the dorsal.

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my 75g build---->http://www.aquariumforum.com/f45/fin...ild-18272.html
75g beasolbob tank peat moss & safe-t-sorb 5congo tetras,2bristle nose plecs, 2 German blue Rams

Rams in a beasl build? They are a more delicate/sensitive fish to water conditions arent they? I'm kind of interested to see how this ends up...

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Hopefully the rams will ignore the plants after awhile.

but I am also interested and thiank for the efforts.

If nothing else you might have to partition the tank but that would be an extreme measure not to mention a more or less complete tank redo.

awaiting your .02.

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fw leiden since 1979, fo salt since 1979, mixed reef 55g 2002-2009. Strong emphasis on the tank taking care of itself. Balanced with plant life, no water changes, tap water, no filters in FW. Only dosing calcium, alk, mag in marine reef tanks. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f15/my-...ods-26410.html
recent tanks (till 2009) 7 years- 10g FW leiden 7 yrs, 55g mixed reef 7, 2 yrs, 20g FW leiden, 10 g fw leiden , 29g mixed reef, current tank 55g leiden

They seem to be doing ok so far. I checked them out before going to work this morning and found that they where hanging out together in the left side of the tank. Kinda right behind the 2 pieces of drift wood that I have together. From what I saw last night b4 bed they really didn't bother the plants but asst the same time they didn't eat. I feed my Hikari freeze dried blood worms. But they stay at the top of the tank and the rams where staying down low. So today I think I'm gonna try the tubifex supreme since I can get then to sink some. But I also have bribe shrimp and spurilina brine shrimp. All of those are the hikari freeze.dried goods plus I got the hikari tetra bites which are a micro pellet. The store said that they where feeding them pellets at the store so firefly everything hours ok. I'll try and get pics up when I get home today

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my 75g build---->http://www.aquariumforum.com/f45/fin...ild-18272.html
75g beasolbob tank peat moss & safe-t-sorb 5congo tetras,2bristle nose plecs, 2 German blue Rams

Forget which species of Ram is so sensitive, but have never heard of them bothering plants. If it were me, I would check my TDS with a meter. High TDS may not be good for their health, but sort of just a theory.

I am wondering how is kH and gh are doing as well.

with peat my systems have remained at 4 dkh and 9 dgh.

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fw leiden since 1979, fo salt since 1979, mixed reef 55g 2002-2009. Strong emphasis on the tank taking care of itself. Balanced with plant life, no water changes, tap water, no filters in FW. Only dosing calcium, alk, mag in marine reef tanks. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f15/my-...ods-26410.html
recent tanks (till 2009) 7 years- 10g FW leiden 7 yrs, 55g mixed reef 7, 2 yrs, 20g FW leiden, 10 g fw leiden , 29g mixed reef, current tank 55g leiden

Well after so long check and parameters always being fine I have stopped checking them in a while. Although I don't have the stuff to check the kh so not suite on that. Ever since the ich outbreak I have kept Mt tank at 80° & with all the peat I want worried about the water softness. I got home not to long ago and found that they are out and about exploring the tank some. The one was following my finger around I I think it will eat today when I feed them. Only t thing I'm worried about is the congos already knows when I feed so they are the 1st one jumping up to eat to the point that they splash water out the tank. So I will try and feed them at one corner of the tank and break up a 2 nd cube for the rams at the other end along with sinking some of the pellets for them.

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my 75g build---->http://www.aquariumforum.com/f45/fin...ild-18272.html
75g beasolbob tank peat moss & safe-t-sorb 5congo tetras,2bristle nose plecs, 2 German blue Rams