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Old 10-29-2009, 10:45 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Oh yea. Did you have problems first "priming" the siphon and water trap?
For the record, I also made linguine carbonara last night... it was delicious. I do happen to have a picture of my dinner, but I'm sure you aren't interested in that. Anyways, more to the point, I went back after making dinner and eating, it was probably about an hour or more and it was still working, the prime wasn't lost. That was very surprising to me considering the lack of pvc cement. I thought surely I must have an air leak, but I used pressure fittings that slid in real snug, so I guess it held.

To prime it, I turned the entire unit upside down and filled one end with water until water (with no bubbles) came out the other end. I then held my thumb over the openings and put it in the bucket really quick. Clearly this method of priming wouldn't work in practice, but worked enough to prove the design of the overflow.

The disappointing part, and this is probably due to my shoddy, 2-minute job throwing it together is that the water didn't come out at a full flow, as if it wasn't using the whole 1/2" plumbing. It was more than a trickle, but definitely didn't drain quickly. This is why I ended up not making a video. It was rather anticlimactic.


I do have a question though:


How far down does your plumbing go into your sump? Below water level? If so, isn't it possible the entire drainage plumbing could fill with water and end up siphoning your entire aquarium into your sump during power off conditions?
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For the record, I also made linguine carbonara last night... it was delicious. I do happen to have a picture of my dinner, but I'm sure you aren't interested in that. Anyways, more to the point, I went back after making dinner and eating, it was probably about an hour or more and it was still working, the prime wasn't lost. That was very surprising to me considering the lack of pvc cement. I thought surely I must have an air leak, but I used pressure fittings that slid in real snug, so I guess it held.

To prime it, I turned the entire unit upside down and filled one end with water until water (with no bubbles) came out the other end. I then held my thumb over the openings and put it in the bucket really quick. Clearly this method of priming wouldn't work in practice, but worked enough to prove the design of the overflow.

The disappointing part, and this is probably due to my shoddy, 2-minute job throwing it together is that the water didn't come out at a full flow, as if it wasn't using the whole 1/2" plumbing. It was more than a trickle, but definitely didn't drain quickly. This is why I ended up not making a video. It was rather anticlimactic.


I do have a question though:


How far down does your plumbing go into your sump? Below water level? If so, isn't it possible the entire drainage plumbing could fill with water and end up siphoning your entire aquarium into your sump during power off conditions?

Perhaps you have to air bubles at the siphon elbow. That effectively reduces the area for water and limits the flow.

If the entire thing is sealed then the tank water will flow down to the end of the tube in the tank. That tube should be well below where the water stops flowing under power out.

The key is where the sanitary traps are in my first picture. The tops are open to the air (through the priming nipples). That way the water height in the aquarium is determined by the height of the sanitary traps as shown. Water rises to that height then starts flowing down the drain. Then under power out the water flows to the bottom the of sanitary traps then stops. With water "trapped" in the water trap and hob siphons prior to those tees. Then when power resumes there is water in the siphon and water traps so the level rises until it "overflows" in the sanitary tees and normal operation resumes.

If you used elbows for the sanitary tees you could simulate "my" operation by drilling holes at the top of those elbows.

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gee

Can I come over for dinner.
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Perhaps you have to air bubles at the siphon elbow. That effectively reduces the area for water and limits the flow.
Very likely.


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The key is where the sanitary traps are in my first picture. The tops are open to the air (through the priming nipples). That way the water height in the aquarium is determined by the height of the sanitary traps as shown.
Ohhh, the light bulb just went on. Got it.


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Ohhh, the light bulb just went on. Got it.

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now you're really on the right track.!!!!!
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lol. i just realized that your design is the same as my bottom siphon overflow, just without the extension inside the tank.

cant you get T's and elbows in a 1" pack? here they have them from 1/2"-2" in the contractor packs
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I used Ts instead of joints and left them open to the air and I actual had much better water flow than using 6 elbows. Here's the video.




Obviously, I'll have to use 1" plumbing and tweak the dimensions, but the point is proven.
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what point? i think i missed that part
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what point? i think i missed that part
I proved that this device that aquarists have been using for years actually works. You're welcome.

More importantly, I satisfied my own curiosity. I would trust a self-made pvc overflow far more than I would a box overflow purchased from Amazon.
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I used Ts instead of joints and left them open to the air and I actual had much better water flow than using 6 elbows. Here's the video.
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Obviously, I'll have to use 1" plumbing and tweak the dimensions, but the point is proven.
I found more water flow also when the outside Tees were open to the air also.

Amazing what a few bucks of pvc can do.

Congrates. sounds like your experiment worked very well.

FWIW I have had some people attempt to build these things with no success because they did not fully understand and/or implement the design. Fortunately you got it working. So either you're a good designer or listener or both.


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Whoever designed this overflow is a genius!!!

THANK YOU!!! Works great!!!!!!!!
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Whoever designed this overflow is a genius!!!

THANK YOU!!! Works great!!!!!!!!
Good glad it worked and thanks for the feedback.

actually I did design with my own thoughts the design I presented.

As far as being a genius I'll let you decide.

I checked and the first patent for an "s" trap (which is what this is) was over 100 years ago.

So much for original thinking. Someone else always beats me to it.

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This is a really cool design. I just purchased an aqualifter and just for the simplicity of it I am going to go with a CPR overflow. I really like this rendering though. If I do another tank I will definitely make my own overflow.
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This is a really cool design. I just purchased an aqualifter and just for the simplicity of it I am going to go with a CPR overflow. I really like this rendering though. If I do another tank I will definitely make my own overflow.
To serve the aqua lifter function I just used a powerhead with an air line to the top of the HOB part. With a venturi to suck some air/water from the siphon to the powerhead.

To test I put an air pump output under the in tank drain. bubbles were sucked to the power haed away from the sihpon. It also sucks out air to get it going initially.


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did you design that in 'paint'?


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My drawing in the first post is with cadopia which functions in much the same manner as autocad.

But then you might have meant the drawing posted by others later.


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The overflow will not be functional .

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The overflow will not be functional .
Oh why so? seems to work for me anyway.
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Hi guys

My name is Tonino and I'm from Italy

I built an overflow like beaslbob project; but now I have a question for you: I will use it in a freshwater aquarium with many plants and the problem is that after a while of hours of working the inside of tubes will be colonized from algae, microorganisms and dirty particles so I'm thinking at this issue: the suction tube to start the overflow, that is linked to a venturi pump, could be blocked!
So how do you have solved this issue?
I thought that I can use a larger tube or a T link instead of 90° and use the "tower" of T to suck-out air from siphon.

What do you think about these solutions?
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My name is Tonino and I'm from Italy

I built an overflow like beaslbob project; but now I have a question for you: I will use it in a freshwater aquarium with many plants and the problem is that after a while of hours of working the inside of tubes will be colonized from algae, microorganisms and dirty particles so I'm thinking at this issue: the suction tube to start the overflow, that is linked to a venturi pump, could be blocked!
So how do you have solved this issue?
I thought that I can use a larger tube or a T link instead of 90° and use the "tower" of T to suck-out air from siphon.

What do you think about these solutions?
Yes you have hit on a maintenance problem. I do not think using a larger tube is the answer. Obviously the tube is for the initial startup and after that just to suck out occasional air bubles. I have ran a u tube On my 55g marine with no venturi and did have to manually suck out the air once a week or so.

thanks for your feedback and to share my experience, I did have to occasionally run a toothpick to clear up the salt accumulation. So I think you will have to do occasional cleaning. But any water going through the venturi is bypassing the overflow so that should be as small as possible.

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