Aquarium Forum
Advertise
Saltwater Do It Yourself Discuss all saltwater and reef related DIY projects, tips, questions, and ideas here.

Go Back   Aquarium Forum Saltwater and Reefs Saltwater Do It Yourself

Forgot Password?
Connect with Facebook

Welcome to the Aquarium Forum forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast and simple so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.
Connect with Facebook
OR

Members currently in the chatroom: 0
The most chatters online in one day was 16, 03-02-2012.
No one is currently using the chat.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 03-18-2011, 01:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 66
Location: Colorado
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 10 Times
Was Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Default Major crack repair on 150Gal

I can get a really nice Jebo 150 Gallon for $100.. However, it has a major top till bottom crack in it. Something hit the built in overflow pipe on the back and cracked the glass around it. This is a $1500+ aquarium with really neat rounded all glass edges at the front so i'd say definatly worth repairing.

I am thinking of getting a sheet of 1/2" acrylic the same size as the glass back and silconing that to the back of the aquarium from the inside. That should relief the pressure of the cracks, make it water tight and reinforce it..

I would love to hear experiences and opinions.... am i an idiot or really smart?
s9601694 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To s9601694
Said thanks:

Join AquariumForum.com Today - It's Free!

Are you an aquarium enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

AquariumForum.com is owned and operated by fellow lifelong aquarium enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information.

Join AquariumForum.com Today! - Click Here


Sponsors

Old 03-18-2011, 01:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
WhiteGloveAquatics's Avatar
Welcome Wagon Aquarium Forum Tank Of The Month Winner
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,112
Name: WhiteDevil
Location: NW suburbs of chicago
Feedback: 2 / 100%
Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 145 Times
Said "Thanks" 48 Times
Was Thanked 413 Times in 385 Posts
Default Re: Major crack repair on 150Gal

Id take it from the seller to a glass shop and have them repair/replace the back, holes and all.

I am not sure about your repair though, Ive never had that issue before.
WhiteGloveAquatics is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To WhiteGloveAquatics
Old 03-18-2011, 02:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
Pleco n bn breeder n BOSS
susankat's Avatar
Welcome Wagon Aquarium Forum Tank Of The Month Winner
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 5,419
Name: Susan
Location: Tulsa, Ok
Feedback: 9 / 100%
Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 4,150 Times
Said "Thanks" 1,611 Times
Was Thanked 1,808 Times in 1,549 Posts
Default Re: Major crack repair on 150Gal

Only one problem with that idea, silicone will not stick to the acrylic. If its a glass tank get a piece of glass instead. Or better yet replace the entire panel. It will still be a lot cheaper than buying a new tank.
__________________
SUCCESS IS MEASURED BY YEARS, NOT MONTHS!!!
220 Tank build
http://www.aquariumforum.com/f15/sta...late-3253.html
susankat is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To susankat
Old 03-18-2011, 02:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
WhiteGloveAquatics's Avatar
Welcome Wagon Aquarium Forum Tank Of The Month Winner
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,112
Name: WhiteDevil
Location: NW suburbs of chicago
Feedback: 2 / 100%
Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 145 Times
Said "Thanks" 48 Times
Was Thanked 413 Times in 385 Posts
Default Re: Major crack repair on 150Gal

Good point, forgot about the adhesion of the different materials.

The bigger the sheet of glass the cheaper it is, 2 4x4 squares for me to seal a unuseable hole in the bottom of my 50g is $61 bucks, if I replace the entire bottom panel its 35 bucks.
WhiteGloveAquatics is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To WhiteGloveAquatics
Old 03-18-2011, 02:46 PM   #5 (permalink)
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 66
Location: Colorado
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 10 Times
Was Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Default Re: Major crack repair on 150Gal

There are ways to stick Acrylic to glass and with the setup i described the water pressure would push the acrylic sheet to the glass and you'd mostly need the sylicone to make it water tight.. I intend to use an epoxy rated for plastic and glass then seal all around with aquarium rated silicone.That way I'd get a chemical bond via the epoxy and then a sealer via the silicon.



Using glass could work.. i'd have to stick it to the outside though..

Replacing the sheet is always an option, would be a more expensive way to go though.. I'd like to explore my first option more before i go there..

Last edited by s9601694 : 03-18-2011 at 02:59 PM.
s9601694 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To s9601694
Sponsors

Old 03-19-2011, 02:28 AM   #6 (permalink)
phys's Avatar
Welcome Wagon
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,107
Name: superbosco
Location: Sugarhouse area
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 241 Times
Said "Thanks" 16 Times
Was Thanked 311 Times in 301 Posts
Send a message via AIM to phys Send a message via MSN to phys
Default Re: Major crack repair on 150Gal

good luck with this one. It could be a better idea to redo the back panel. You never know if that glass will crack further and just give out completely
phys is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To phys
Old 03-19-2011, 08:19 AM   #7 (permalink)
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 63
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 17 Times
Was Thanked 28 Times in 27 Posts
Default Re: Major crack repair on 150Gal

my concern wouldnt be directed at pressure but the structural integrity of your panel after repairs. Despite conventional thinking, its not how much water you have which will dictate your pressure, just simply how deep the water is within a closed system. This is law for when a fluid is not in motion, despite your aquarium having moving water you can still treat this as an enclosed static fluid for the sake of calculating water pressure. this in mind your pressure will not be a horrendous value you would think it might be, its a little counter intuitive. My concerns would be direct to where the crack is located on the tank, and any wear around the same location that could compromise your repairs in the future. 150 gallons is a lot of water to see leak into your home, so I will humbly side with the other users, and recommend having the entire panel replaced at a glass shop. The cost of it will be again, less than you'd expect since they wont guarantee anything of this nature, at least i wouldnt expect.

Remember glass is not a solid material, it is a fluid! Why does this matter? Because your already compromised panel of glass has a better capacity to bend (notice minor bowing in the front of flat fronted tanks, old house windows becoming unclear and rippled.) With your aquarium reaching well under 2 atmospheres, these forces will probably be enough to throw your panel clean off the tank if you tried to repair it due to the tangential forces it will apply to the silicone seams from initial construction. (imagine the panels twisting outwards from the tank, hinging on the initial silicone seals while your repairs just stretch) The real bad news is the odds are your repairs will hold up for a good while, even if you just slopped silicone across the crack, the problem will really be with stress over time. Remember, this glass is cracked, and for a reason... what made it crack? impact event? fault in the material? Either way, sounds like you dont want this panel...

If you're still comfortable repairing it, remember the emphasis on pressure, although its not a huge number, it does bear a respectable force. If you have a pinhole leak in your own sealing job you will have gotten nowhere, it will have to be unconditionally airtight... my own honest opinion, this is way too much to bite off, chew, then swallow. I'm debating even resealing an aquarium or just replacing it, 150 gal on the floor, oh my, no thank you!
slurik is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To slurik
Said thanks:
Old 03-19-2011, 08:29 AM   #8 (permalink)
WhiteGloveAquatics's Avatar
Welcome Wagon Aquarium Forum Tank Of The Month Winner
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,112
Name: WhiteDevil
Location: NW suburbs of chicago
Feedback: 2 / 100%
Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 145 Times
Said "Thanks" 48 Times
Was Thanked 413 Times in 385 Posts
Default Re: Major crack repair on 150Gal

ouch, 2 bars really? I didnt think it would be that much that shallow. 2 bars is 30 psi correct? or is it 300 psi?


If you do repair it, wear some waders.
WhiteGloveAquatics is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To WhiteGloveAquatics
Old 03-19-2011, 08:51 AM   #9 (permalink)
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 63
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 17 Times
Was Thanked 28 Times in 27 Posts
Default Re: Major crack repair on 150Gal

I was totally off, I looked into this for a more appropriate number. You will experience just over 2 atmospheres at 11M below sea level. since your tank totally isnt 11m deep, and this calculation tool only manages meters, at 1m below sea level, the pressure is approx 1.09920 atm, also little known fact, your lungs cannot operate past 1m of depth without mechanical assistance. This means no snorkeling with a 1.5m long snorkel, no joking at all, its a fact! Our lungs are WEeeeeeak!

Quote: "Assuming the density of sea water to be 1025 kg/m³ (in fact it is slightly variable), pressure increases by 1 atm with each 10 m of depth. Diver must alter their habits according to the pressure they experience."

Freshwater is far less dense to boot, but humor the scenario and call it a marine system.
slurik is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To slurik
Old 03-21-2011, 08:34 AM   #10 (permalink)
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 66
Location: Colorado
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 10 Times
Was Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts
Default Re: Major crack repair on 150Gal

Damn... I can't help starting to think that it might not be such a great idea.... I mean my wife would murder me if i spilled 150gal on the hardwood floor, into the basement!
s9601694 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To s9601694
Old 03-21-2011, 09:06 AM   #11 (permalink)
WhiteGloveAquatics's Avatar
Welcome Wagon Aquarium Forum Tank Of The Month Winner
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,112
Name: WhiteDevil
Location: NW suburbs of chicago
Feedback: 2 / 100%
Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 145 Times
Said "Thanks" 48 Times
Was Thanked 413 Times in 385 Posts
Default Re: Major crack repair on 150Gal

If she's like mine, that punishment would be awesome, Mine would turn me into a PELT for some cannibal to wear. You should have seen how red she turned when she saw the 210g I brought home, Had to prove a 4 week water holding test to even get it into the tiled basement lol
WhiteGloveAquatics is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To WhiteGloveAquatics
Old 03-21-2011, 10:14 AM   #12 (permalink)
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 63
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 17 Times
Was Thanked 28 Times in 27 Posts
Default Re: Major crack repair on 150Gal

Water is horrible, it goes nowhere but down and for whatever reason hobbiests just LOVE having aquariums on the top floor!

But seriously, do not fret!

I would just not repair the panel, and instead have it replaced. The glass should not cost too too much, it will be a pricey slab of glass compared to one you'd pick up for a picture frame of course, but a new panel of glass will leave you with the sense of security that this glass was set using modern methods, polished and cut by trained professionals, and as such, should have minimal to no flaws in it.

Good news to it is that they can always pop in some bulkhead holes for you wherever you'd like for less since the glass is already in their hands, unpaid for.

Some of you are like me and must remember hauling a brand new aquarium never been used to a glass shop to get a hole drilled... oh the misery!
slurik is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To slurik
Reply

Previous Thread: Selling Air Pump
Next Thread: Free pure water?


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:08 AM.





Fish Topsites
Follow us on Twitter!
Alltop, confirmation that we kick ass

All content Copyright © AquariumForum.com & the respective author. All Rights Reserved.
Disclaimer: We are not responsible for the content of any post or thread. This is a public forum and the content posted does not reflect the opinions of nor are endorsed by AquariumForum.com nor any of our employees.