What exactly is an Endler?

GuppyNGoldfish · 07-14-2011, 10:40 PM

I've done some research and didn't seem to come up with much. I found out that they are very similar in size, shape, and color to guppies. They aren't guppies, but you can breed them with guppies to get new colors, and keep genes going?? I possibly would like to add some to my collection and breed them with my guppies if I need to to keep from getting "weak/lame fry." If anyone has any better info comments are greatly appreciated.

susankat · 07-14-2011, 11:50 PM

If you google John Endler or Armondo Po or Adrian Hernandiz you will find quite a bit of info There is also a website dedicated to endlers live bearers.

Poecilia wingei = Endler is a relative of the guppy in the same family of poecilla. They come from a remote area in Venesuala where there habitat has become a dump. They are on the endangered species list. Some of the differences between an endler and a guppy are the dorsal fin of an endler is short and usually just one color. The colors are more flouresent, pedicule smaller than that of a guppy. Enders are generally smaller than guppies (both male and female)

Hope that helps

allaboutfish · 07-15-2011, 12:40 AM

look on liveaquaria.com they have them

allaboutfish · 07-15-2011, 12:42 AM

also dont breed them with guppies you will get enough fry with just a male and female endler you wont even know what to do with them. breeding them with guppys makes the inpure

susankat · 07-15-2011, 12:45 AM

I have plenty of pure endlers but its just to darn hot to ship at this point or else I would give you some just for postage.

GuppyNGoldfish · 07-15-2011, 01:04 AM

Ive seen Endlers in the Guppy tank at Pet Supplies Plus and I've wondered why there were such small, weird looking guppies in the tank, til I found out what exactly they were. I'm in California right now and it's about 85 out here, so I doubt they would survive shipping. Plus I don't have a tank setup in Ohio also. I'll setup the extra 10 gallon I have when I get back. Thanks for the info everybody.

GuppyNGoldfish · 07-15-2011, 01:32 AM

Also, are the Lyretail Guppies a mix between a guppy and endler? Most pictures of the lyretail guppies I've seen look like they have Endlers colors in them. Can I keep GloFish with the Endlers? I'm pretty sure you can't breed the two fish, just wanna make sure tho.

susankat · 07-15-2011, 02:04 AM

Yes you can as glofish is basically a danio and and egg layer.

GuppyNGoldfish · 07-15-2011, 02:40 PM

I totally forgot they were egg layers, thanks.

susankat · 07-15-2011, 03:23 PM

Lyrtail guppies are a product of line breeding. I don't think they are crossed with endlers.

giddetm · 07-15-2011, 04:47 PM

I bought mine on Aquabid they were listed as true Black Bar Endlers. I ended up putting them in with Trindad guppys so they are not true anymore.

snail · 07-24-2011, 01:10 PM

In my opinion Endlers are just a specific form of wild guppy. Some domestic guppy lines have been crossed with Endlers some haven't, it's probably impossible to tell for sure. They are very pretty and I like them better than fancy guppies. Worth to keep the line pure if you get some it will be easier to sell/home offspring than if they are crossed.

susankat · 07-24-2011, 01:54 PM

With the tests that has been done on the endler, there is some different genetics. I belong to the species protection main. program so I always have pure endlers. Its pretty easy to tell by me looking at them if they are pure or hybrids. There are several nice hybrids out there. Adrian H has been working with endlers for years and have made some amazing crosses. But he sells them as crosses and not pure.

giddetm · 07-24-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by susankat

With the tests that has been done on the endler, there is some different genetics. I belong to the species protection main. Adrian H has been working with endlers for years and have made some amazing crosses. But he sells them as crosses and not pure.

dO YOU HAVE ANY FOR SALE? Is Adrain H. a member here??? Tom

susankat · 07-24-2011, 05:27 PM

No Adrian isn't a member here. You will have to check out swampriveraquatics to purchase from him. or to the endler site. I have some to sell but not shipping in this heat. My temps today is 107.

snail · 07-24-2011, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by susankat

With the tests that has been done on the endler, there is some different genetics. I belong to the species protection main. program so I always have pure endlers. Its pretty easy to tell by me looking at them if they are pure or hybrids. There are several nice hybrids out there. Adrian H has been working with endlers for years and have made some amazing crosses. But he sells them as crosses and not pure.

It seems to be one of those ones scientists can't make up their mind about. They certainly look quite different and I know their are some genetic differences but I'm sure that their are guppy lines that have had endlers bred in from years ago.

giddetm · 07-24-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by susankat

No Adrian isn't a member here. You will have to check out swampriveraquatics to purchase from him. or to the endler site. I have some to sell but not shipping in this heat. My temps today is 107.

Thanks,It is smoking HOT!!! here in Illinois also. I will get in touch when it gets cooler. Tom

majerah1 · 07-24-2011, 09:04 PM

Wow,Susan,107?Mom said it was getting hot there,lol.I think she said its supposed to be upwards of 110 in parts.

Also,could you post pics of a true wild endler and a hybrid?Ive never seen the difference.

GuppyNGoldfish · 07-24-2011, 09:41 PM

This became a popular thread haha. Hey susan how much to ship to northeast ohio? Probably mid september.

snail · 07-25-2011, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by majerah1

Also,could you post pics of a true wild endler and a hybrid?Ive never seen the difference.

That would be interesting

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