Save these fish.

Shotgun · 07-02-2009, 10:47 AM

It broke my heart as soon as I walked in.

After buying some shoes at the local shoe store, I walked next-door to the local petco. (I never buy my stuff at petco, but I just wanted to check out the fish stuff they got there.) I walked into the store and I headed towards the fish section.

I started looking at the filters, heaters, and other cool little gadgets. After that, I made my way to the aquariums where they sold their fish.

When I got there, my heart sank. Almost every tank there was diseased. I saw everything from velvet, to NTD; from glo-fish having bend spines due to mal-nutrition, to fin and tail rot. I saw silver dollars with no fins and tails what-so-ever; I saw platies missing fins entirely; a dead, diseased, and decomposing fish in every-other tank; gourami's with no antennas.

It broke my heart to see so many fish in such a bad place. Fish were misplaced, and some were labeled wrong.

Now, I would like to explain something that happened to me about two years ago...

Two years ago, I was still relativly new to the aquarium hobby. I quickly learned to love it. I only had a 30 gallon tank at the time. (now, its a lot more

) I recently lost a female guppy. Thinking not much of it, I went to petco and bought a female guppy. When I took her home, I noticed her behavior. After about two hours, I saw visible signs of velvet. Inorder to save the rest of my fish, I took her out, and isolated her. Within only a few days, all of my fish have developed the disease. I lost every one of them.

From that moment on, I boycotted petco and all other petcos. It angers me to go in there again after two years and see the fish in even worse condition than two years prior. I feel saddened by the fish, but I feel like there is nothing I can do. I feel like I want to take all of them, fix them up, and give them happy, loving homes; but it is out of my reach...

Save these fish.

Chickadee · 07-02-2009, 10:59 AM

Yes it is a sad situation to see this and I have personally been escorted from stores for complaining about their fish treatment. There is not much that can be done but to refuse to purchase from such a store. If you refuse to purchase any equipment or supplies from them and any fish, as much as you may want to help them, the fish store will eventually not be in business and putting more fish in jeopardy. This seems against human nature, you want to do the opposite and go in and buy all those fish and save them but the truth is they will replace them with others who will be treated just as badly. The next best thing is to contact the corporate headquarters with pictures you have taken with your cellphone and send them the store number and name of the manager. It may not do a lot of good but also post the name of the store and manager's name on a place where it will be seen locally like at a local fish club and show copies of the pictures. Fish hobbyists will avoid going there.

It may not seem like much but this is about all you can do.

Rose

TheAquaExpert · 07-02-2009, 11:31 AM

Is There A Possibility To Sue Petco's Becuase Of There Cruelty To Fish?

James0816 · 07-02-2009, 11:58 AM

Typical chain store scenario. The only big box store that I have had success with is one particular PetSmart here. I haven't lost a fish from there yet. The other PS store just a few miles down the road, no luck. Not a whole lot unfortunately you can do about it. Sad.

petlover516 · 07-02-2009, 01:27 PM

thats why my dad and i both refuse to go to petco for livestock. the problem is, they hire teenagers looking for a job that have no clue about how to keep fish and many other pets. one time, a girl at my local petco accidentally overflowed half of all the tanks and killed alot of fish just doing a water change!

Shotgun · 07-02-2009, 01:44 PM

yeah, the only place I go to is a 10,000 square foot fish store. All they sell is fish and aquarium stuff. The place is massive, it even has a small koi pond in it. The people who work there are extreamly avid aquarists. Its the only place I go to for all of my aquarium stuff.

ladyonyx · 07-02-2009, 01:44 PM

It makes me absolutely sick to see how the fish are treated in chain stores. Last time I went in to a PetCo to buy salt and replacement filter media, I started thinking about how this could actually be stopped. The mistreatment of fish in these stores is flat out animal cruelty. Most of the problems result from poor water quality, which is overall an easy fix. Fish come in very sick and stressed out and then are dumped right into a tank with little acclimation time. There is never any quarantine treatment; occasionally you'll see a sign on a tank that says, "Fish Under Observation," and those are the fish with so much Ich that you can't even tell what color they're supposed to be. I think what needs to be done can only be solved by laws/legislation. I personally think we should all do some research and find out who our Senators are in our respective districts that might have a history of involvement in animal rights issues, and collectively draft a letter that any one of us could send to these Senators. There are rules and regulations regarding how you can treat dogs and cats in a pet store; there is absolutely nothing that makes a fish any different. We need mandatory 10-day quarantine procedures, water quality parameter guidelines, and people who are assigned to come into these pet stores randomly and check to see if the stores are abiding by the rules. Just for a start.
If you would all be interested, I would be more than happy to write a first draft of this type of letter so we can all try to get it out there. What do you all think?

Shotgun · 07-02-2009, 01:52 PM

ladyonyx, i am 100% in agreeance with you. We should ask the admins and moderators, such as JIM, if we could have a night called "Save these fish night" or something like that. (i know it sounds cheesy.) It could be a massive gathering in the chatroom and we can discuss our thoughts about it, and how we can start to find a conclusion to this problem.

susankat · 07-02-2009, 02:07 PM

I found one of our local petcos in the same kind of condition once. I took pictures, then went online to their corporate headquarters posted a very detailed complaint. But also stated how the manager lacked abilities to manage the store if he was able to let his employees let the tanks get in that condition. Guess what. They fired the manager 2 weeks later for that reason. The store is now and has been for the last 2 years is kept up and the tanks are clean and the fish are healthy.

ladyonyx · 07-02-2009, 03:37 PM

I'm glad you at least got one PetCo cleaned up susankat.
Having a "Save These Fish" night sounds like it would be a good start, so we can at least get a bunch of peoples' thoughts and ideas together on paper and go from there. Not to sound dumb, but I've never contacted an admin or moderator for anything; how do we go about doing that?

ladyonyx · 07-02-2009, 03:54 PM

This is what I sent to JIM:

Hi JIM,

My name is Alex Rose (ladyonyx) and a few of us would like to have a group chat night to discuss fish care in pet store chains. We're all appalled by the conditions in which many fish are kept in these pet stores and would like to have an open discussion one evening to try to find a solution to the problem. In my opinion, the way to solve this major animal rights problem is to write a generic letter that anyone can use, presenting our issues with fish mistreatment in chain pet stores as well as some valid solutions to the problem, and to then contact Senators in our respective areas about this issue. By having a discussion night, we could put everyone's ideas and suggestions togther to draft a cohesive letter that could be sent to any Senator and hopefully make an impact, or at least draw some much-needed attention to this problem.

Thanks for reading. Please advise.

Sincerely,
Alex Rose

petlover516 · 07-02-2009, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shotgun13249

yeah, the only place I go to is a 10,000 square foot fish store. All they sell is fish and aquarium stuff. The place is massive, it even has a small koi pond in it. The people who work there are extreamly avid aquarists. Its the only place I go to for all of my aquarium stuff.

im guessing that place is Aquarium Adventure. If so, i say they are pretty good with the livestock, but prices are sky-high!

and yes i think a group chat about fish mistreatment in pet stores is a great idea!

susankat · 07-02-2009, 04:15 PM

A chat time is great to discus these things, but this is something that you have to be very careful with as it could bring about the past bill resurfacing again with the exact laws taking place and we could all loose our rights to buy imported fish. Let alone a bill like this can close most fish stores and it won't hurt places like petco or petsmart as their biggest sales are in the drygoods area, having fish is basically just a perk for the customers to come in.

Its just like a conv. store like Shell, Mobile, BP and such, there sales are mainly inside sales and the gas is just an incentive to get people in. They will only make like 3 to 10 cents per gal of gas, and like a fountain drink, they pay at the most 10 cents a cup and look what the customer pays.

Places like petco pay very little for livestock and they have basically a high mark up, but the profit margin on the whole is very low.

The best thing to do in these situations is to just keep writing letters to corp. offices and show your disgust in the situation. And basically its best not to name names online as that can lead to lawsuits on the forums and such.

ladyonyx · 07-02-2009, 04:59 PM

I completely agree with you susankat, and we certainly don't want to be losing our ability to keep fish. I think a letter like the one I am suggesting writing would be a bit different than a lot of peoples' complaints though. I fully support chain pet stores selling fish, they just need to take care of their livestock. There's no reason the all pet stores can't have mandatory quarantine procedures, or educate their staff as to how to care for the livestock. It's simple things like good water quality, treating and isolating sick fish, proper diet, etc. that need to change. I think these pet stores should keep selling fish. It makes me happy that anyone can walk into a chain pet store and have the opportunity to acquire and care for fish. Keeping fish is a wonderful experience and privilege. But there need to be more regulations as far as animal care go so as to avoid animal cruelty. Perhaps this type of letter would be better sent to "Pet____" corporate first like you suggested, before considering anything too drastic.

ladyonyx · 07-02-2009, 05:03 PM

And petlover516, I definitely like Aquarium Adventure (PetLand). I've bought a few fish from them and have been happy so far. The people are all very knowledgeable as far as I can tell and actually try to educate their customers about what they are buying and how to properly take care of it. Nice to see once in a while

susankat · 07-02-2009, 05:08 PM

The problems usually stem from management of these places. Corporate hires these managers and expects them to take care of their stores and to train the employees. When the employees fail at doing the job, I think management should be held responsible if the matter isn't straightened up. Either train them right and keep them trained or replace them. I have been in management and know how it works.

Just like my daughter works for Walmart. She works in infants but wants to work in the pet dept as she knows how to take care of fish. But they way they are set up, the fish are at one end of the store while the pet care products are at the other, so the fish dept gets ignored until someone wants help to buy a fish. I have already had 2 dept managers fired from there for that reason and am pushing to put the fish and petcare together to keep up with the fish. It has gotten so bad one of their suppliers for angel fish refuses to deliver anymore.

But the situation keeps happening and it always will as most of the general public and even societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals don't look at fish as pets. Rats, mice and such they do, but not fish.

JIM · 07-02-2009, 05:39 PM

I personally see nothing wrong with a discussion on this subject, however, prior to any correspondence outside the walls of this Forum is drafted, It would be best to consult with Jarred (MediaHound) As to his ruling on the involvement, or any statements regarding a stance to be taken on behalf of this forum.

susankat · 07-02-2009, 05:51 PM

Jim personally I would keep the forum sponsership of it out as it could lead to problems for the forum. Chat is one thing but the involvement should be kept at a personal level as much as possible. I have seen this kind of stuff almost take out some good forums because of the legality of such issues.

Shotgun · 07-02-2009, 06:23 PM

As the creator of this thread, I would like to bring up a few points.

1.) Petlover516, the place is called Exotic Aquatics. It is located in Parkville, MD, so if you are around the Baltimore-metro area, you should check the place out!

3.) Most importantly: Guys, we are jumping to big things first. We are talking about things as big as legislation. We must start small if we want to change something. It is best to start small, and then work our way up. The perfect way to start small is to have a "Save these fish night," in which we can have a massive congregation in the chatroom. This is vital; it will get us organized, and will provide an ideal time for sharing our thoughts about this subject.

P.S. I wrote to JIM too.

kris_leonardi · 07-02-2009, 08:14 PM

I completely agree with you. My father(who used to breed fish many years ago) said the the same thing when we walked in about 2 weeks ago to pick up fish food for my tank and his pond. It is a truly depressing sight, I seen in the guppy's tank about 7 dead fish stuck to the filter & tons of diseased fish as well. They really do need to take better care of the animals they have.

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James0816 James0816's Photo Gallery Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,599 Feedback: 14 / 100% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 0 Times Said "Thanks" 35 Times Was Thanked 572 Times in 494 Posts	Re: Save these fish. Typical chain store scenario. The only big box store that I have had success with is one particular PetSmart here. I haven't lost a fish from there yet. The other PS store just a few miles down the road, no luck. Not a whole lot unfortunately you can do about it. Sad.

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Shotgun New Member Manager Shotgun's Photo Gallery Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 689 Name: Alex Location: Baltimore, MD Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 183 Times Said "Thanks" 110 Times Was Thanked 180 Times in 138 Posts	Re: Save these fish. yeah, the only place I go to is a 10,000 square foot fish store. All they sell is fish and aquarium stuff. The place is massive, it even has a small koi pond in it. The people who work there are extreamly avid aquarists. Its the only place I go to for all of my aquarium stuff. __________________ Calling aquariums and fish boring is like calling a hott model ugly. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f2/save...fish-2930.html

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ladyonyx ladyonyx's Photo Gallery Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 724 Name: Alex Rose Location: Woodridge, IL Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 24 Times Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 184 Times in 147 Posts	Re: Save these fish. It makes me absolutely sick to see how the fish are treated in chain stores. Last time I went in to a PetCo to buy salt and replacement filter media, I started thinking about how this could actually be stopped. The mistreatment of fish in these stores is flat out animal cruelty. Most of the problems result from poor water quality, which is overall an easy fix. Fish come in very sick and stressed out and then are dumped right into a tank with little acclimation time. There is never any quarantine treatment; occasionally you'll see a sign on a tank that says, "Fish Under Observation," and those are the fish with so much Ich that you can't even tell what color they're supposed to be. I think what needs to be done can only be solved by laws/legislation. I personally think we should all do some research and find out who our Senators are in our respective districts that might have a history of involvement in animal rights issues, and collectively draft a letter that any one of us could send to these Senators. There are rules and regulations regarding how you can treat dogs and cats in a pet store; there is absolutely nothing that makes a fish any different. We need mandatory 10-day quarantine procedures, water quality parameter guidelines, and people who are assigned to come into these pet stores randomly and check to see if the stores are abiding by the rules. Just for a start. If you would all be interested, I would be more than happy to write a first draft of this type of letter so we can all try to get it out there. What do you all think? __________________ When in doubt, do a water change.

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Shotgun New Member Manager Shotgun's Photo Gallery Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 689 Name: Alex Location: Baltimore, MD Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 183 Times Said "Thanks" 110 Times Was Thanked 180 Times in 138 Posts	Re: Save these fish. ladyonyx, i am 100% in agreeance with you. We should ask the admins and moderators, such as JIM, if we could have a night called "Save these fish night" or something like that. (i know it sounds cheesy.) It could be a massive gathering in the chatroom and we can discuss our thoughts about it, and how we can start to find a conclusion to this problem. __________________ Calling aquariums and fish boring is like calling a hott model ugly. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f2/save...fish-2930.html

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susankat Pleco n bn breeder n BOSS Super Moderator susankat's Photo Gallery Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 6,550 Name: Susan Location: Tulsa, Ok Feedback: 13 / 100% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 5,478 Times Said "Thanks" 2,016 Times Was Thanked 2,409 Times in 1,994 Posts	Re: Save these fish. I found one of our local petcos in the same kind of condition once. I took pictures, then went online to their corporate headquarters posted a very detailed complaint. But also stated how the manager lacked abilities to manage the store if he was able to let his employees let the tanks get in that condition. Guess what. They fired the manager 2 weeks later for that reason. The store is now and has been for the last 2 years is kept up and the tanks are clean and the fish are healthy. __________________ SUCCESS IS MEASURED BY YEARS, NOT MONTHS!!! 220 Tank build + 62 other tanks. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f15/sta...late-3253.html

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ladyonyx ladyonyx's Photo Gallery Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 724 Name: Alex Rose Location: Woodridge, IL Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 24 Times Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 184 Times in 147 Posts	Re: Save these fish. I'm glad you at least got one PetCo cleaned up susankat. Having a "Save These Fish" night sounds like it would be a good start, so we can at least get a bunch of peoples' thoughts and ideas together on paper and go from there. Not to sound dumb, but I've never contacted an admin or moderator for anything; how do we go about doing that? __________________ When in doubt, do a water change.

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ladyonyx ladyonyx's Photo Gallery Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 724 Name: Alex Rose Location: Woodridge, IL Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 24 Times Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 184 Times in 147 Posts	Re: Save these fish. This is what I sent to JIM: Hi JIM, My name is Alex Rose (ladyonyx) and a few of us would like to have a group chat night to discuss fish care in pet store chains. We're all appalled by the conditions in which many fish are kept in these pet stores and would like to have an open discussion one evening to try to find a solution to the problem. In my opinion, the way to solve this major animal rights problem is to write a generic letter that anyone can use, presenting our issues with fish mistreatment in chain pet stores as well as some valid solutions to the problem, and to then contact Senators in our respective areas about this issue. By having a discussion night, we could put everyone's ideas and suggestions togther to draft a cohesive letter that could be sent to any Senator and hopefully make an impact, or at least draw some much-needed attention to this problem. Thanks for reading. Please advise. Sincerely, Alex Rose __________________ When in doubt, do a water change.

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susankat Pleco n bn breeder n BOSS Super Moderator susankat's Photo Gallery Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 6,550 Name: Susan Location: Tulsa, Ok Feedback: 13 / 100% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 5,478 Times Said "Thanks" 2,016 Times Was Thanked 2,409 Times in 1,994 Posts	Re: Save these fish. A chat time is great to discus these things, but this is something that you have to be very careful with as it could bring about the past bill resurfacing again with the exact laws taking place and we could all loose our rights to buy imported fish. Let alone a bill like this can close most fish stores and it won't hurt places like petco or petsmart as their biggest sales are in the drygoods area, having fish is basically just a perk for the customers to come in. Its just like a conv. store like Shell, Mobile, BP and such, there sales are mainly inside sales and the gas is just an incentive to get people in. They will only make like 3 to 10 cents per gal of gas, and like a fountain drink, they pay at the most 10 cents a cup and look what the customer pays. Places like petco pay very little for livestock and they have basically a high mark up, but the profit margin on the whole is very low. The best thing to do in these situations is to just keep writing letters to corp. offices and show your disgust in the situation. And basically its best not to name names online as that can lead to lawsuits on the forums and such. __________________ SUCCESS IS MEASURED BY YEARS, NOT MONTHS!!! 220 Tank build + 62 other tanks. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f15/sta...late-3253.html

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ladyonyx ladyonyx's Photo Gallery Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 724 Name: Alex Rose Location: Woodridge, IL Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 24 Times Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 184 Times in 147 Posts	Re: Save these fish. I completely agree with you susankat, and we certainly don't want to be losing our ability to keep fish. I think a letter like the one I am suggesting writing would be a bit different than a lot of peoples' complaints though. I fully support chain pet stores selling fish, they just need to take care of their livestock. There's no reason the all pet stores can't have mandatory quarantine procedures, or educate their staff as to how to care for the livestock. It's simple things like good water quality, treating and isolating sick fish, proper diet, etc. that need to change. I think these pet stores should keep selling fish. It makes me happy that anyone can walk into a chain pet store and have the opportunity to acquire and care for fish. Keeping fish is a wonderful experience and privilege. But there need to be more regulations as far as animal care go so as to avoid animal cruelty. Perhaps this type of letter would be better sent to "Pet____" corporate first like you suggested, before considering anything too drastic. __________________ When in doubt, do a water change.

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ladyonyx ladyonyx's Photo Gallery Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 724 Name: Alex Rose Location: Woodridge, IL Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 24 Times Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 184 Times in 147 Posts	Re: Save these fish. And petlover516, I definitely like Aquarium Adventure (PetLand). I've bought a few fish from them and have been happy so far. The people are all very knowledgeable as far as I can tell and actually try to educate their customers about what they are buying and how to properly take care of it. Nice to see once in a while __________________ When in doubt, do a water change.

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susankat Pleco n bn breeder n BOSS Super Moderator susankat's Photo Gallery Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 6,550 Name: Susan Location: Tulsa, Ok Feedback: 13 / 100% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 5,478 Times Said "Thanks" 2,016 Times Was Thanked 2,409 Times in 1,994 Posts	Re: Save these fish. The problems usually stem from management of these places. Corporate hires these managers and expects them to take care of their stores and to train the employees. When the employees fail at doing the job, I think management should be held responsible if the matter isn't straightened up. Either train them right and keep them trained or replace them. I have been in management and know how it works. Just like my daughter works for Walmart. She works in infants but wants to work in the pet dept as she knows how to take care of fish. But they way they are set up, the fish are at one end of the store while the pet care products are at the other, so the fish dept gets ignored until someone wants help to buy a fish. I have already had 2 dept managers fired from there for that reason and am pushing to put the fish and petcare together to keep up with the fish. It has gotten so bad one of their suppliers for angel fish refuses to deliver anymore. But the situation keeps happening and it always will as most of the general public and even societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals don't look at fish as pets. Rats, mice and such they do, but not fish. __________________ SUCCESS IS MEASURED BY YEARS, NOT MONTHS!!! 220 Tank build + 62 other tanks. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f15/sta...late-3253.html

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07-02-2009, 05:51 PM	#18 (permalink)
susankat Pleco n bn breeder n BOSS Super Moderator susankat's Photo Gallery Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 6,550 Name: Susan Location: Tulsa, Ok Feedback: 13 / 100% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 5,478 Times Said "Thanks" 2,016 Times Was Thanked 2,409 Times in 1,994 Posts	Re: Save these fish. Jim personally I would keep the forum sponsership of it out as it could lead to problems for the forum. Chat is one thing but the involvement should be kept at a personal level as much as possible. I have seen this kind of stuff almost take out some good forums because of the legality of such issues. __________________ SUCCESS IS MEASURED BY YEARS, NOT MONTHS!!! 220 Tank build + 62 other tanks. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f15/sta...late-3253.html

07-02-2009, 06:23 PM	#19 (permalink)
Shotgun New Member Manager Shotgun's Photo Gallery Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 689 Name: Alex Location: Baltimore, MD Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 183 Times Said "Thanks" 110 Times Was Thanked 180 Times in 138 Posts	Re: Save these fish. As the creator of this thread, I would like to bring up a few points. 1.) Petlover516, the place is called Exotic Aquatics. It is located in Parkville, MD, so if you are around the Baltimore-metro area, you should check the place out! 3.) Most importantly: Guys, we are jumping to big things first. We are talking about things as big as legislation. We must start small if we want to change something. It is best to start small, and then work our way up. The perfect way to start small is to have a "Save these fish night," in which we can have a massive congregation in the chatroom. This is vital; it will get us organized, and will provide an ideal time for sharing our thoughts about this subject. P.S. I wrote to JIM too. __________________ Calling aquariums and fish boring is like calling a hott model ugly. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f2/save...fish-2930.html

07-02-2009, 08:14 PM	#20 (permalink)
kris_leonardi kris_leonardi's Photo Gallery Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 164 Name: krisleo Location: Florida Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 24 Times Said "Thanks" 92 Times Was Thanked 23 Times in 17 Posts	Re: Save these fish. I completely agree with you. My father(who used to breed fish many years ago) said the the same thing when we walked in about 2 weeks ago to pick up fish food for my tank and his pond. It is a truly depressing sight, I seen in the guppy's tank about 7 dead fish stuck to the filter & tons of diseased fish as well. They really do need to take better care of the animals they have. __________________ 90 gallon mixed reef 20 gallon cichlid tank 14 gallon (saltwater) Biocube & 10 gallon nano reef tank!

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