I kinda neeed ALL your help!! :)

Monkey87 · 01-11-2012, 10:31 AM

I have a few questions for the PRO's...
i have a 46 gallon bowfront aquarium with 2 orandas and 2 ryukins
i have a large 12 inch airstone, various live plants, driftwood and somerocks.
water parameters are: ph 7.8 ammonia:0.25ppm nitrite:0ppm and nitrates:20ppm
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what can u tell me from those readings off the bat?? 2 weeks ago i finished ich treatment... and im trying to get back into normal routine.. 20% water change every 3rd day. dose with conditioner and nutrafin cycle is the norm. these guys are dirty as hell.. lol! THANKS!

Gizmo · 01-11-2012, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkey87

I have a few questions for the PRO's...
i have a 46 gallon bowfront aquarium with 2 orandas and 2 ryukins
i have a large 12 inch airstone, various live plants, driftwood and somerocks.
water parameters are: ph 7.8 ammonia:0.25ppm nitrite:0ppm and nitrates:20ppm
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what can u tell me from those readings off the bat?? 2 weeks ago i finished ich treatment... and im trying to get back into normal routine.. 20% water change every 3rd day. dose with conditioner and nutrafin cycle is the norm. these guys are dirty as hell.. lol! THANKS!

The problem you're encountering is you have 4 goldies in a 46G tank, and two are koi (not sure about the orandas). Goldies are giant poo machines and koi are (poo machines)^3. Also, I'm not sure how big the goldies are. The bigger, the worse.

The 0.25ppm ammonia reading seems fine with the goldies, and the fact that it's so low, the nitrites are 0, and you're seeing nitrate indicate that the nitrogen cycle is established, however you'll have to do some SERIOUS upkeep to keep those fish happy in such a small tank for them. Koi are better suited for ponds and giant holding tubs in the garage in the winter, if you ask me.

Monkey87 · 01-11-2012, 11:25 AM

ryukins are considered koi??

Gizmo · 01-11-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkey87

ryukins are considered koi??

My mistake, I just Googled them. I think I was thinking of shubunkins or something like that.

They're still pretty bad poo machines though

Kehy · 01-11-2012, 11:28 AM

All of those are goldfish...not really a good thing. Still major poo producers

Monkey87 · 01-11-2012, 11:33 AM

All of those are goldfish...not really a good thing. Still major poo producer by Kehy

what do you mean.?? and what do u think about my water readings? fine?

Gizmo · 01-11-2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkey87

what do you mean.?? and what do u think about my water readings? fine?

Your water parameters are fine for the moment, but they won't be for long. You'll need to keep on those water changes to keep everyone happy. I bet at the end of the 3 days you're registering large concentrations of nitrate, and 1-5 ppm of ammonia and nitrite, respectively.

How are your goldies doing?

Monkey87 · 01-11-2012, 11:44 AM

my goldies are doing fine i believe... they look happy and always hungry!.. LOL at the end of the 3 days ammonia doesnt seem to get any higher or lower before or after water change.. its always at -.25 or slightly lower... nitrites are always 0.. and nitrates between 10ppm - 40ppm...

Gizmo · 01-11-2012, 11:46 AM

Good, it means you're doing water changes often enough

And look for white film on the surface of their scales - signs of ammonia or nitrite burns. But with due diligence, I think you'll never have to worry.

Monkey87 · 01-11-2012, 11:49 AM

my blue oranda has always seemd to have a white film through out his whole body.. he doesnt seem stressed or anything.. could this be normal?

Monkey87 · 01-11-2012, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kehy

All of those are goldfish...not really a good thing. Still major poo producers

still dont understand what you meant..?

Gizmo · 01-11-2012, 11:56 AM

White film is never a good thing, if you ask me, but that's just my own thoughts. I've never kept goldies personally, so everything I'm telling you right now is second-hand.

Monkey87 · 01-11-2012, 11:58 AM

hmmm... ok well thanks a bunch for everything you told me and answered from TORONTO ONTARIO!

jrman83 · 01-11-2012, 12:03 PM

Your readings look fine for the tank and what you have? You may have an issue with overstock, but your readings don't show that. Not sure I'm understanding what you are asking here?

Monkey87 · 01-11-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jrman83

Your readings look fine for the tank and what you have? You may have an issue with overstock, but your readings don't show that. Not sure I'm understanding what you are asking here?

i was just asking if my water seems fine to you guys... i find there is slight ammonia but guess its not that big a deal...?? u think im over stocked?? 46 gallon to 4 fish? plants and rocks as well..

jrman83 · 01-11-2012, 05:13 PM

Slight ammonia is sort of a norm for goldie tanks. I think you're pushing overstock....it's not just 4 fish. It's 4 goldies. Like I said, I thought your water paramaters looked pretty good and if you're doing water changes like you say, you'll be fine.

Monkey87 · 01-11-2012, 05:48 PM

PERFECT... thanks anyways.. things look pretty good.. just wanted a double thought on the water..! and do u think having CORYS will be OVERDOING it? or something that will help me with excess food/ algae?

Alasse · 01-11-2012, 06:49 PM

Your only just overstocked. 20gal for the 1st goldie and 10gal for each goldie after - 4 goldies makes you only 4gal short.

How much do you feed? Overfeeding will cause ammonia and nitrate.

What filter do you have on here. What is your cleaning schedule?

Alasse · 01-11-2012, 06:50 PM

Do not add cories to the tank, if you have food in the bottom, do not feed them as much. Cories dont do algae anyway.

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