Well late last week I noticed a my gold gouramis with white spots on them and I have been treating them for ich. I also bumped the water temp up 80-82. One of them its almost gone off of it and the other one not so much yet. Also the rest of the tank mates have it now. 3 angels, 2 opaline gouramis, 3 african leaf fish, a pictus catfish, 1 blue gourami, 1 rubber lip algae eater. But yesterday one of the angels died, and now the pictus is dead, the bigger leaf is staying at the surface and isn't looking very lively, and the pther leaf starting to act that way.

Tank info. 55 gallon tank, no ammonia, 7.8ph, changed 10-12 gallons of water yesterday and the fish seemed fine until I did that. Used tap water conditioner for the amount I took out. Added some aquarium salt. And treating the ich with rid ich plus. Only thing I havnt done is vaccum the gravel. Havnt bought a vaccum for it yet ran out of money before I could go buy one. Fish have been in there for 2 weeks and tank has been running for almost a month now. What have I done wrong for those fish to die. I'm a noob and you can call me a dumb a$$ if its something stupid I've done lol any help is appreciated.

If you just went ahead and put the fish in there then most definitely the tank is undergoing a nitrogen cycle. This will cause the fish to be stressed and very vulnerable to disease - it's easier for Ich and other diseases to attack your fish if they are stressed. Some fish are hardier than others and can handle the ammonia and nitrite in the water better than others, I'm not familiar with all the fish you have though.

I suggest you read up on the nitrogen cycle, there are various threads about it here and lost of other info resources on the web. It's a common mistake many new hobbyists make so don't beat yourself up but you need to take the necessary steps immediately to get it under control. Unfortunately you are between a rock and a hard place with the tank still cycling and an Ich outbreak. Right now you need the nitrifying bacteria to colonize in your filter(s) and putting medication in the tank can impede that process. I would pull the meds but keep the salt. Increasing the temp will help with Ich but also will boost the bacteria's metabolizing of ammonia and Nitrite. There will be less oxygen in warmer water - I hope you have good aeration. Higher temperature and good oxygenation of the water will help with the colonizing of the bacteria.

If possible, try to get some filter media from an established tank to put in yours - if you have a friend with a tank or your LFS is willing to give you some that will go a long way in helping the colonizing of bacteria. Second prize would be gravel from an established tank put into a stocking. This will seed the tank with the bacteria you need. One word of warning though is to make sure that the tank you get it from is healthy or you could compound your problem. After this, keep up with the water changes and monitor levels of ammonia and nitrite closely - have you got a test kit?

Keep an eye on the fish, unfortuately you may lose a few more before you get the cycle under control and the Ich is gone. Don't be discouraged if you lose a lot of fish, as I said this is a common mistake and a hard lesson but you'll get there. Once the cycle is complete you can add some more fish slowly - a few at a time and take it as it comes. Best of luck, I hope you pull through.

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Have you tested for nitrites? If you have zero ammonia, you are about at the point you would start seeing nitrites. They can be very deadly. An 80-82 degree temp will not do much for getting rid of ich. Crank up to 88-89 and you'll start killing it with temp alone. I also only use Quick Cure for ich. It seems to work the best and usually takes away all signs in abut 4 days. How long have you been treating for ich?

Agree'd with the above 2 posters.

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thanks for the input, i bought a 5 in 1 test kit today, and a gravel vac. Tested the water and everything seems to be cosher by the test strips. tested it before and after i cleaned the gravel. I had to add 10 gallons after cleaning. added the tap water conditioner and salt for the 10 gallons i removed. and tested the same as before. I let it run for about 30 minutes after filling it. all the fish seem to be doing good and the ich almost gone now off one gourami, and clearing up on the other. The angels i havnt seen them in the light much to tell on them. Im gonna keep a eye on the ich and keep the temps up and see what happens. i have medicated the tank for 3 days.

here is a pic of the strip and chart to make sure i was reading it right

Ok the one thing I am seeing that might not have been mentioned in that he did a water change and then added medication, did you already have medication in the tank before you did a water change? Possible OD could be the COD of the less hardy fish if the dose was more then you needed. Carbon also removes medication, so if you have that in the filter, could be a problem.

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yes the medication was in the water before the water change, it suggested on the bottle to do water 10% water changes before every treatment if i remember right. The filters wasnt in because i couldnt take the carbon out of them, they are the panel filters that mount on the back of the tank. Since i have vaccumed the gravel the fish are doing better and ich is almost completely gone off all of them. just a little left on the two remaining angels. im gonna make sure it is cured before i add anymore fish to replace the ones that died. water temps are around 83-84 degrees for now to help kill the ich, my heater is at 86 and it stays cool in my house and thats as warm as i can get the water. the heater is made for 60 gal tank if i rember right. thanks for all the help

Great to hear everyone is doing better!!

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Glad to hear the Ick is clearing up. You let the water sit for 24-48 hours before adding it to the tank right? (That allows it to air off gases and such.)

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