i was talking to a couple forum members YESTERDAY about adding a school of white cloud minnows into a 46 gallon bowfront aquarium with 4 Goldfish and a few snails in already. We all came to the conclusion that it would be ok....

i do 25% water changes every 3rd day... and my water seems perfect... i have some driftwood... rocks and plants in the aquarium and i think a small school of WC minnows would BE PERFECT...

WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK???? am i overdoing it??? would i be fine???

That's too many gold fish for that size tank

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technically i am only 4 gallons undersized... which is not much of a big deal.... water is in prestine condition due to my every 3rd day water change... fish look happy my question was about the minnows.. but i already know what your opinion is... thanks though.

Not sure why you would start a fresh thread just for that if you've already got an answer in your other thread. As I believe was mentioned in the other thread, keep the water changes the same frequency and you probably will be okay.

Personally, I can't understand adding any fish to a goldie tank but that is your choice.

2 reasons... i wanted a new title and more peoples opinions...

and 2nd i love them and my son does too.. to me thats all that really matters.. just wanted advice on additions.. thanks though.

If you had a 50,000 gallon tank and 3 fish in it, someone would say your tank isn't big enough... I think that they are trying to make up for something!

LOL!! so what do u think?? BAD IDEA?
GOOD IDEA?!

Sorry, I'm not qualified to answer that. I'm just starting out. I just posted that comment because as new as I am...I see certain people running around commenting to everyone saying their tank isn't big enough...It just gets sickening.

lol... i hear ya..! well... WELCOME and ENJOY!!!!!!!!

It's not that we enjoy running around telling people their tanks are too small - we've just been at this for a while and understand what happens when a tank is overstocked..... we speak from experience. The 1" of fish per gallon rule is junk, and many new people come on here thinking it works. Everyone here is just trying to help, not insult. :D

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That's a bit ridiculous. First of all, there are many people here who are extremely experienced. Secondly, join any aquarium forum on the 'net, or go to any place where people actually know what they are talking about and they are going to advise you to stock your tank appropriately. Taking jabs at those on here who know the hobby is really uncalled for, just because you arent getting the answer you want to hear, does not mean anyone here is compensating for anything other than the fact that they have lived and learned from experience and are tryin to help you do the same. Take it or leave it, but dont expect any one to cater to whatever it is you are looking to hear.

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When it comes down to it, if you don't like the answers you get then don't follow the suggestions and do your own thing. 99.9% of the advice you get here is people trying to be helpful and will keep you out of the tank emergency forum when you start having issues. If you don't like hearing a 46g bowfront is only good for a small amount of the fish you chosen, or whatever the situation, don't follow or get a different fish. Or, if you ask the question enough maybe you'll finally get the answer you want.

well all i said was "ya i hear ya" and im sure PBrods didnt mean to break any hearts or hurt feelings...he was just saying something he felt... not one of you can take that from him.. its called opinion...n my question wasnt something like can i put a shark in a 10g tank.. it was something valid.. n at the end of the day.. most people that comment its THEIR opinion... in theory.. it will work.. ive seen WORSE things work than a 46g with 4 goldfish n a small school of WCM's... i just wanted something to give a reason in why they think it was a good or bad idea... being "overstocked" is not a valid reason because there is many things that can be done about water quality.. my fish r swimming with alot space and minimal waste due to me doing PWC's every 3rd day.. but thanks anyways..

IMO the white clouds are fine. As long as your goldifsh are pretty small, you'll be fine. Do water changes once a week or so even and you'll be fine. Or add another/better filter. Theres alot of options here. I kind of agree that the 20g for first goldfish, 10g for every extra rule is kind of garbage. If your goldfish were 10in than yeah that's true, but with small goldies just do it. In my first days of fish keeping i was sold an irradescent shark for my 16g tank. It lived and grew in there, and when I felt it was necessary/ I saw how big they get I sold it. He lived in there for years. Also my sister kept a white cloud minnow in a 1g plastic fish bowl with water changes once every 2 months and it lived for 5 years. The science of fish keeping isn't supposed to be an exact science. Just have fun with it, and do what you feel is fine.
Thanks, happy fishkeeping

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2 silver dollars, 6 white clouds,

yes. you are right, everyone has an opinion. And my opinion is that if someone has too many fish in a tank i'm going to say something because some people simply don't know any better (I sure as heck didnt when I joined this site). Whether you take the advise is up to you, you are not going to break my heart, believe me. Doesnt mean i'm not going to say what I think either. Thanks so much

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well you should REALLY watch what you say and stop contradicting yourself.. i find itfunny when you say that IM overstocked YET... you have 4 ADULT MOLLIES.. which need 15g for one fish.... and 3 adult swordtails which need even more space!!! and a very long aquarium... if you did your research your would know that u are EXTREMELY underspaced... but yet you are giving me advice... my point has been proven... andim SURE your 29gallon is working for you... BUT.. technically speaking you would need something way bigger than that for those fish... but ..you commented on someone elses thread who is not exactly "overstocked" i dont get it.. i just asked bout minnows who dont need ALOT of space and in a nice spacious bowfront.. anyways... im done with this forum.. thanks to everyone who helped..

Adult Mollies need a 15g tank, but not an additional 15g for each after the first. If you have a ref that states that, please provide a link. Similar guidance for Swordtails, although I think minimum is a 25g.

You can go to any other site and you will get the exact same advice. This site is not unique in that respect. I frequent four others and the same advice is given and I mostly just read there.

You got the advice already that stated if you kept up your water changes you would not have any issue with adding more to your setup, and yet begged for more responses with a second thread asking the exact same question as if the first thread you didn't get what you needed. YOU asked for more and it looks like you got it. Not sure why you would be upset about it?

I'm hardly overstocked in my 29, in fact I could probably add several more fish without having any issues. You need to think through and research your attack before pushing the enter button.

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Aquarium conditions and care:

They need free space for swimming, however lots of aquarium plants too. For this fish, you need an aquarium with a minimum length of 1 meter. It means that an aquarium with a capacity of 200 liters or more is suitable for four specimens. For example, one male and 3 females. I don’t recommended you to keep 2 males in one tank. There is a hierarchy between Swordtails and only one male is the dominant one and could possibly harass the rest. If you keep the conditions inside the tank of a good quality, swordtails will become plentiful. Generally speaking, you will enjoy a lot of little swordtails specimens for months. Anyhow, it isn’t recommended to house them in the tank. You should give or sell them, otherwise you risk overpopulating your aquarium.

Fish keepers often ask "How many swordtails should I get?", which has been partially answered in the paragraph above. Bear in mind that when you're buying, most likely these specimens are juveniles and they'll grow. Also, adult specimens aren't as playful as juveniles. They become more territorial, although not extremely territorial. At least 40 liters per specimen...... from: The Swordtail Fish Breeding And Care

So I guess you're good on Mollies?

Well, if you're going to stop on the first place you find.....

I wouldn't suggest this site alone. There are dozens out there. If you have experience with keeping them please amplify. I've been keeping them for a couple of years.