beaslbob taken to the next level

smartypantsgc9 · 12-21-2011, 11:34 PM

I am about to confuse you a lot so BEWARE!
Ok, I understand the beaslbob method pretty well. But, what if it was taken to the next level? What if you didn't have to feed the fish? Hmmmmmmmm......

So my main question is, how would you do it? Assuming you have unlimited aquarium size and you were a gazillionare.

Summer · 12-21-2011, 11:48 PM

Put it outside, call it a pond, and allow nature to provide the food for you?

SuckMyCichlids · 12-21-2011, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Summer

Put it outside, call it a pond, and allow nature to provide the food for you?

thats what i would think lol

smartypantsgc9 · 12-22-2011, 12:15 AM

Well, that's not exactly what I mean. I am not actually doing this. What I am saying is how do I make an aquarium(inside) have a complete ecosystem. I might do this in 50 years if I am rich and famous by then. I understand that fish eat fish but what would the fish at the very bottom of the chain eat? I doubt it would go to the surface to get bugs because another fish would get to it.

I think I am confusing myself more than I should. I guess this is almost impossible to do inside.

Summer · 12-22-2011, 12:19 AM

Yea i think it would be impossible to have a completely independent ecosystem in such a small container, even if it were a large tank. You can never completely mimic what true nature is on a domesticated scale. if that's what you want to see, you need to go out into the great outdoors and view it in all it's actuality.

SuckMyCichlids · 12-22-2011, 12:31 AM

on a small scale i would definetly see this as impossible but i guess given enough space to make not only an aquarium but also a terrarrium with insects and what not to recreate nature, but even then i think you would still have to have some hand in it somewhere..

smartypantsgc9 · 12-22-2011, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Summer

Yea i think it would be impossible to have a completely independent ecosystem in such a small container, even if it were a large tank. You can never completely mimic what true nature is on a domesticated scale. if that's what you want to see, you need to go out into the great outdoors and view it in all it's actuality.

Such beautiful words...

TypeYourTextHere · 12-22-2011, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Summer

Yea i think it would be impossible to have a completely independent ecosystem in such a small container, even if it were a large tank. You can never completely mimic what true nature is on a domesticated scale. if that's what you want to see, you need to go out into the great outdoors and view it in all it's actuality.

I have to agree. there is absolutely no way to condense the ecosystem we call Earth. A fish tank on average is what, 16 cubic feet or less? The world is Trillions+ cubic feet. There are not weather patterns in a tank or seasons ect. It would be next to impossible to do this on such a small scale.

FishFlow · 12-22-2011, 11:20 AM

I would think you'd need a source of food that fish eat. You'd have to someone incorporate a system that grew and sustained fish food, on it's own.

Not that this qualifies for your criteria, but there is something called an auto brine hatchery. You add eggs and it hatches brine and eventually, the brine find their way into the main tank to be eaten by baby angels. Something larger scale and automatic introduction to the main tank kinda ver off what a beaslbob method is (KISS).

Could be an interesting converstation though.

jrman83 · 12-22-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jccaclimber

2) Algae is a significant part of keeping the earth's waterways in their "stable" state.

And provides a large portion of the oxygen in the air we breath.

Does sound more like a pond. A whole other level.....go from doing near nothing to completely nothing. Whatever, happened to liking to tinker and mess with things? I actually enjoy doing most of what I have to do with my tanks (the maintenance). It's peaceful, keeps me busy, relaxes me, eases headaches, lowers blood pressure (not my issue)....all the stuff that makes the hobby such a great one. The TV keeps me on the couch enough...I prefer to get my hands dirty...I still cut my own yard (1.5Acres), change my own oil, rotate my own tires.....damn, we have grown lazy.

beaslbob · 12-22-2011, 11:29 AM

So I'm going to the next level?

Hmmmmmmmmm.

But something to consider.

One step toward that direction would be some kind of in tank refugium so algae/pods and the like could thrive.

It might be possible to keep a few fish that way for a few years anyway.

beaslbob · 12-22-2011, 11:30 AM

If nothing else at least people in this forum are thing about these things.

Instead of always reaching for filters, chemical, water changes and the like.

my .02

Gizmo · 12-22-2011, 12:05 PM

I've got an interesting ecosystem going on in my 10 gallon tank....

Filter is used for growing moss and providing water circulation ONLY. NO media in there at all aside from some moss-clogged foam.

About 100 RCS in there with 3 fish. The RCS eat garbage, the fish eat RCS babies. Great population control, the fish are very vibrant and active because they're getting live food, and the RCS require little to no feeding.

However, I'm running a 48W T5HO over the tank, injected CO2 from a DIY setup, and RO water with fertz, so in a way I'm screwing with my tank in a REVERSE beaslbob method

beaslbob · 12-22-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gizmo

I've got an interesting ecosystem going on in my 10 gallon tank....

Filter is used for growing moss and providing water circulation ONLY. NO media in there at all aside from some moss-clogged foam.

About 100 RCS in there with 3 fish. The RCS eat garbage, the fish eat RCS babies. Great population control, the fish are very vibrant and active because they're getting live food, and the RCS require little to no feeding.

However, I'm running a 48W T5HO over the tank, injected CO2 from a DIY setup, and RO water with fertz, so in a way I'm screwing with my tank in a REVERSE beaslbob method

dern

now we gotta define what a reverse beaslbob is.

<------ backing up

my .02

Summer · 12-22-2011, 04:18 PM

I'm with ben on this one. I like to be involved in my tank, adjusting things, and just tinkering around with it. And I can vouch that since I've begun this hobby almost 3 months ago I've seen a remarkable drop in my blood pressure, I suffer from full blown hypertension and since playing in the tanks I'm *almost* normal without medication. Part of the hobby is raising fish and watching and being involved in what they do, part of it is being an "artist" and making it something worth staring at, and part of it is always changing something and learning something new.

Gizmo · 12-22-2011, 06:33 PM

If the tank is in your bedroom and it's established and doing well, you get some crazy cool fish dreams as well

smartypantsgc9 · 12-22-2011, 08:05 PM

I guess you guys are all right. I like maintaining my aquariums too. I am just curious on how it would work and how the food chain/web would work.

jrman83 · 12-22-2011, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by beaslbob

dern

now we gotta define what a reverse beaslbob is.

<------ backing up

my .02

That is just a tank that gets regular water changes and ph stays where it started - done!

holly12 · 12-22-2011, 10:36 PM

^ lol! XD

majerah1 · 12-22-2011, 11:11 PM

Lol.

In my most honest opinion,you have a tank,with fish plants water.you do no real maintenance on it,and now you dont wanna feed it.

Sell the tank and get one of those screensavers.

12-21-2011, 11:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
smartypantsgc9 Banned... Not Really... Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 34 Name: Gunther Location: Los Angeles Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 38 Times Said "Thanks" 10 Times Was Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	beaslbob taken to the next level I am about to confuse you a lot so BEWARE! Ok, I understand the beaslbob method pretty well. But, what if it was taken to the next level? What if you didn't have to feed the fish? Hmmmmmmmm...... So my main question is, how would you do it? Assuming you have unlimited aquarium size and you were a gazillionare. __________________ 10 gallon tank: 2 Tetra Whisper PF10 filters, mixed substrate, 1 male molly, 1 female platy,1 pregnant platy, 4 platy fry, 4 zebra danios 15 gallon tank: beaslbob build, peat moss substrate, pool sand substrate, 4 zebra danios, 10 neon tetras, 8 harlequin rasboras, 11 ghost shrimp, planted with: hornwort, anacharis, wisteria

12-21-2011, 11:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
Summer Susan and Bev's protégé Summer's Photo Gallery Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2,502 Name: Summer Location: Pennsylvania My location Feedback: 11 / 100% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 1,136 Times Said "Thanks" 168 Times Was Thanked 571 Times in 552 Posts	Re: beaslbob taken to the next level Put it outside, call it a pond, and allow nature to provide the food for you? __________________ "Being ignorant is not so much a Shame, as being unwilling to learn".-- Benjamin Franklin

12-22-2011, 12:15 AM	#4 (permalink)
smartypantsgc9 Banned... Not Really... Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 34 Name: Gunther Location: Los Angeles Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 38 Times Said "Thanks" 10 Times Was Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: beaslbob taken to the next level Well, that's not exactly what I mean. I am not actually doing this. What I am saying is how do I make an aquarium(inside) have a complete ecosystem. I might do this in 50 years if I am rich and famous by then. I understand that fish eat fish but what would the fish at the very bottom of the chain eat? I doubt it would go to the surface to get bugs because another fish would get to it. I think I am confusing myself more than I should. I guess this is almost impossible to do inside. __________________ 10 gallon tank: 2 Tetra Whisper PF10 filters, mixed substrate, 1 male molly, 1 female platy,1 pregnant platy, 4 platy fry, 4 zebra danios 15 gallon tank: beaslbob build, peat moss substrate, pool sand substrate, 4 zebra danios, 10 neon tetras, 8 harlequin rasboras, 11 ghost shrimp, planted with: hornwort, anacharis, wisteria

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Summer Susan and Bev's protégé Summer's Photo Gallery Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2,502 Name: Summer Location: Pennsylvania My location Feedback: 11 / 100% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 1,136 Times Said "Thanks" 168 Times Was Thanked 571 Times in 552 Posts	Re: beaslbob taken to the next level Yea i think it would be impossible to have a completely independent ecosystem in such a small container, even if it were a large tank. You can never completely mimic what true nature is on a domesticated scale. if that's what you want to see, you need to go out into the great outdoors and view it in all it's actuality. __________________ "Being ignorant is not so much a Shame, as being unwilling to learn".-- Benjamin Franklin

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12-22-2011, 11:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
FishFlow FishFlow's Photo Gallery Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 371 Location: California Feedback: 4 / 100% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 14 Times Said "Thanks" 5 Times Was Thanked 57 Times in 55 Posts	Re: beaslbob taken to the next level I would think you'd need a source of food that fish eat. You'd have to someone incorporate a system that grew and sustained fish food, on it's own. Not that this qualifies for your criteria, but there is something called an auto brine hatchery. You add eggs and it hatches brine and eventually, the brine find their way into the main tank to be eaten by baby angels. Something larger scale and automatic introduction to the main tank kinda ver off what a beaslbob method is (KISS). Could be an interesting converstation though. __________________ 100 Dirt + Stuff. To be Angel baby tank. 37 Planted. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f45/pla...nal-20774.html 29 Tall community tank. 5+ Years up and running. 15 Soon to be RCS tank.

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beaslbob beaslbob's Photo Gallery Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3,325 My location Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 339 Times Said "Thanks" 32 Times Was Thanked 835 Times in 761 Posts	Re: beaslbob taken to the next level So I'm going to the next level? Hmmmmmmmmm. But something to consider. One step toward that direction would be some kind of in tank refugium so algae/pods and the like could thrive. It might be possible to keep a few fish that way for a few years anyway. __________________ fw leiden since 1979, fo salt since 1979, mixed reef 55g 2002-2009. Strong emphasis on the tank taking care of itself. Balanced with plant life, no water changes, tap water, no filters in FW. Only dosing calcium, alk, mag in marine reef tanks. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f15/my-...ods-26410.html recent tanks (till 2009) 7 years- 10g FW leiden 7 yrs, 55g mixed reef 7, 2 yrs, 20g FW leiden, 10 g fw leiden , 29g mixed reef, current tank 55g leiden

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beaslbob beaslbob's Photo Gallery Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3,325 My location Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 339 Times Said "Thanks" 32 Times Was Thanked 835 Times in 761 Posts	Re: beaslbob taken to the next level If nothing else at least people in this forum are thing about these things. Instead of always reaching for filters, chemical, water changes and the like. my .02 __________________ fw leiden since 1979, fo salt since 1979, mixed reef 55g 2002-2009. Strong emphasis on the tank taking care of itself. Balanced with plant life, no water changes, tap water, no filters in FW. Only dosing calcium, alk, mag in marine reef tanks. http://www.aquariumforum.com/f15/my-...ods-26410.html recent tanks (till 2009) 7 years- 10g FW leiden 7 yrs, 55g mixed reef 7, 2 yrs, 20g FW leiden, 10 g fw leiden , 29g mixed reef, current tank 55g leiden

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Gizmo What do fish think about? Gizmo's Photo Gallery Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,350 Name: Guy Miller Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Feedback: 7 / 100% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 183 Times Said "Thanks" 451 Times Was Thanked 603 Times in 573 Posts	Re: beaslbob taken to the next level I've got an interesting ecosystem going on in my 10 gallon tank.... Filter is used for growing moss and providing water circulation ONLY. NO media in there at all aside from some moss-clogged foam. About 100 RCS in there with 3 fish. The RCS eat garbage, the fish eat RCS babies. Great population control, the fish are very vibrant and active because they're getting live food, and the RCS require little to no feeding. However, I'm running a 48W T5HO over the tank, injected CO2 from a DIY setup, and RO water with fertz, so in a way I'm screwing with my tank in a REVERSE beaslbob method __________________ Officially fishless until after the move....tune in later for details!

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Summer Susan and Bev's protégé Summer's Photo Gallery Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2,502 Name: Summer Location: Pennsylvania My location Feedback: 11 / 100% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 1,136 Times Said "Thanks" 168 Times Was Thanked 571 Times in 552 Posts	Re: beaslbob taken to the next level I'm with ben on this one. I like to be involved in my tank, adjusting things, and just tinkering around with it. And I can vouch that since I've begun this hobby almost 3 months ago I've seen a remarkable drop in my blood pressure, I suffer from full blown hypertension and since playing in the tanks I'm almost normal without medication. Part of the hobby is raising fish and watching and being involved in what they do, part of it is being an "artist" and making it something worth staring at, and part of it is always changing something and learning something new. __________________ "Being ignorant is not so much a Shame, as being unwilling to learn".-- Benjamin Franklin

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smartypantsgc9 Banned... Not Really... Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 34 Name: Gunther Location: Los Angeles Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Welcome to Aquarium Forum" 38 Times Said "Thanks" 10 Times Was Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: beaslbob taken to the next level I guess you guys are all right. I like maintaining my aquariums too. I am just curious on how it would work and how the food chain/web would work. __________________ 10 gallon tank: 2 Tetra Whisper PF10 filters, mixed substrate, 1 male molly, 1 female platy,1 pregnant platy, 4 platy fry, 4 zebra danios 15 gallon tank: beaslbob build, peat moss substrate, pool sand substrate, 4 zebra danios, 10 neon tetras, 8 harlequin rasboras, 11 ghost shrimp, planted with: hornwort, anacharis, wisteria

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